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Post by I Hate Lana Lang on Jan 16, 2007 23:06:56 GMT
I think Jo is actually the worst now. She's like a playground bully who never grew up; it's like she's taken a while to make sure she's suitably backed-up, and is now going for Shilpa full throttle. I honestly don't know how Shilpa has remained so dignified. Absolutely. To think that on the first night I actually wanted Jo to win. I think Jo is easily led - she thinks that Jade is popular on the outside and like Danielle, has joined with her in a pale attempt to carry favour with the public. They are in for a shock. That is, unless of course, the pro Jade contingent boo Shilpa to death. Even the way the competition is set up is unfair, Jade has her boyfriend in with her and a gang. Shilpa is alone really. |
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Post by pauliepoos on Jan 16, 2007 23:13:02 GMT
"Your claim to fame is this" is surely one of the greatest put-downs of the century! You have to do the hand movement in time with the indignant "this" to get the true power of it. On the subject of who is worse, they're as bad as each other. Jade is shocked when Jack calls Shipla a word so bad Big Brother always bleeps it out (that rules out cunt then) and Jo is shocked when Danielle calls her Shilpa a dog, yet both collectively and on their own have shown hostility towards Our Heroine. |
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Post by I Hate Lana Lang on Jan 16, 2007 23:15:40 GMT
Rumours are that Carphone Warehouse are about to pull their sponsorship from the show.
Who says people power doesn't work? On a more serious note, I'd be shocked if Channel 4 keeps the rights to Big Brother after this.
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Post by WhiteNoiseMaker on Jan 16, 2007 23:16:39 GMT
It's now hard to search for Jo O'Meara and 'bullying' on the web without getting hundreds of CBB results. However a bit of digging confirms what I vaguely remembered from my S Club days a while back - Jo was severely bullied at school, tried to kill herself as a consequence and has appeared in various places condemning bullying.
I think what you can see from Big Bro is that bullying isn't so much a conscious thing as a deep flaw in character - Jade and co perhaps don't think they are bullying Shilpa, they just believe she's genuinely deserving of a slagging off. They just hate that bitch with all her cooking, foreigness, laughing and being prettier, more graceful, more intelligent and more successful than them. These are people with no realistic sense of themselves, or ability to understand their own actions.
On a related note, what made Sezer so chilling (and at the same time so quick to get booted out) was that he openly acknowledged his attempts to destroy people in the BB house through bullying.
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Post by jamie on Jan 17, 2007 9:37:24 GMT
In today's Media Guardian - media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/comment/0,,1992030,00.html Germaine Greer and Hari Kunzru talk about Shilpa. Germaine seems to believe that Shilpa want people to hate her in order to gain public support. And that is why she seems so contented with it. I'm not sure I agree with that, I am hoping that Shilpa is just a nice person. There's someone I know like Shilpa who tries to avoid conflict and wouldn't retaliate to people because she believes it's their problem not hers. |
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Post by Nurse Dunkley on Jan 17, 2007 9:44:54 GMT
There's someone I know like Shilpa who tries to avoid conflict and wouldn't retaliate to people because she believes it's their problem not hers. I'm like that, it saves loads of agro in day to day life. |
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Post by Lisa on Jan 17, 2007 10:04:35 GMT
Being beautiful and sucessful she's probably used to girls being bitchy, so it must be relatively easy not to get bothered by the likes of Jade, Jo and Danielle. When she said to Jade, 'your claim to fame is this, well done' (or words to that effect) I got the impression that she's not going to lose her dignity by retaliating. and rightly so I say.
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Post by pauliepoos on Jan 17, 2007 10:39:40 GMT
To quote an Indian woman who called into the Matthew Wright show this morning, the three witches show the English working class at their worst, and shows the Indian middle class at their best.
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Post by Sean on Jan 17, 2007 11:40:59 GMT
When she said to Jade, 'your claim to fame is this, well done' (or words to that effect) I got the impression that she's not going to lose her dignity by retaliating. and rightly so I say. That moment has won BB for Shilpa. It's... majestic. |
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Post by audrey notwhatsheusedtobe on Jan 17, 2007 12:02:27 GMT
In today's Media Guardian - media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/comment/0,,1992030,00.html Germaine Greer and Hari Kunzru talk about Shilpa. Germaine seems to believe that Shilpa want people to hate her in order to gain public support. And that is why she seems so contented with it. If Germaine had just stuck to her theory that Shilpa is strong and intelligent and playing them like the fools they are to enhance her own profile, that would be OK, and who knows this may even be the case. But saying that Shlipa is annoying, partly because she has a "putty nose" is bizarre. I surprised she said that even if Jack had called Shilpa "a fucking Paki" it's not racially offensive, as Germaine wouldn't mind if someone called her "a fucking Aussie". Wha..? |
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Post by Adrian on Jan 17, 2007 12:26:12 GMT
I think what Greer is getting at here (or maybe missing) is a distinction between nationality and race. Saying someone is a fucking Aussie isn't a racial slur, per se, as Australians are not a different race, whereas Pakistanis are.
Or... I think what she's trying to get at is that society views Pakistani as an insult, due to our unconscious othering of Pakistani people.
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Post by Rad on Jan 17, 2007 12:32:40 GMT
All the papers are gunning for the three ugly sisters today, which is good, but... I can't help thinking there's some sexism going on. Playing up to that women being bitches stereotype and all that.; After all, the person who has probably been the most derogatory and out of order is Jack, and no-one gives a fuck. I know it's partly because no-one knows who he is or pays any notice of him, but I fear it's also partly because he's a man.
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Post by Sparkle on Jan 17, 2007 12:35:49 GMT
With my sociologist hat on, the other thing about the issue of 'race' is that pretty much all current thinking deems 'race' not to be an actual thing, but a social construct.
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Post by Adrian on Jan 17, 2007 12:38:15 GMT
Yes, I was thinking that too. It always has 'inverted commas' around 'it'...
...although that's probably of little comfort or regard to anyone who has been racially abused or assaulted.
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Post by Sparkle on Jan 17, 2007 12:41:24 GMT
Yes, I was thinking that too. It always has 'inverted commas' around 'it'... ...although that's probably of little comfort or regard to anyone who has been racially abused or assaulted. A Well, I've not yet read or met anyone who's argued that racial prejudice or discrimination doesn't exist simply because 'race' doesn't. |
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Post by I Hate Lana Lang on Jan 17, 2007 20:49:37 GMT
All the papers are gunning for the three ugly sisters today, which is good, but... I can't help thinking there's some sexism going on. Playing up to that women being bitches stereotype and all that.; After all, the person who has probably been the most derogatory and out of order is Jack, and no-one gives a fuck. I know it's partly because no-one knows who he is or pays any notice of him, but I fear it's also partly because he's a man. He's just trying to suck up to Jade, when he hears her booed (I hope he does) he'll back off. Bullies usually do when confronted. Actually that's not true. They punch and kick anyone that disobeys them! |
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Post by Steven on Jan 17, 2007 23:17:55 GMT
It saddens me that there are still people in various corners of the internet claiming that there's nothing wrong with the way that Shilpa's being treated, and that she "had it coming" or whatever for being snooty and obnoxious. Frankly, I haven't watched enough of this show (i.e. any at all) to know how Shilpa's been behaving, but I do know that nothing that I can think of justifies the way Jo, Danielle and Jade have been treating her.
"Your claim to fame is this. Good for you" has to be this year's "You better know yourself if you're talking about me, little girl" - simple, truthful and incredibly crushing. Nicely played, Shilpa. Nicely played indeed.
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Post by I Hate Lana Lang on Jan 17, 2007 23:55:08 GMT
It saddens me that there are still people in various corners of the internet claiming that there's nothing wrong with the way that Shilpa's being treated. I think it's the fact that these people can't really explain why they hate Shilpa so much. She's not done anything to merit it. So they invent excuses with words like, 'fake', 'stuck up', 'manipulative', when really she's nothing of the sort. Someone on DigitalSpy is ranting about Shilpa having 'slaves' i.e. fully paid staff. Also, my patience for Dermot and Russell Brand is fast wearing thin. Why aren't these people standing up and actually saying, "This is wrong, we don't treat people like that and it must stop." It seems we live in a country where viciousness is rewarded. |
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Post by Muinimula on Jan 18, 2007 0:25:50 GMT
Also, my patience for Dermot and Russell Brand is fast wearing thin. Why aren't these people standing up and actually saying, "This is wrong, we don't treat people like that and it must stop." It seems we live in a country where viciousness is rewarded. I know what you mean. They've both gone on about how we should all be tolerant, and shouldn't focus on attacking Jade & co, but they continually skirt round the issue and how it should be handled. As people have said, one of the most significant moments in all this will be Jade's eviction interview. If she doesn't address the issues properly, I will be outraged and disappointed beyond belief. |
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Post by Lisa on Jan 18, 2007 9:55:58 GMT
Watched it this morning and have to say that Jade's response to 'your claim to fame is this, good for you' was hysterical: "nah, my claim to fame's meeting you. loser"!!! brilliant! (seriously, Jade's so thick I'm suprised she exists)
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Post by Nurse Dunkley on Jan 18, 2007 10:21:21 GMT
I saw this last night, and I must say that my love affair with Jade - beginning with me quite enjoying one of her LivingTV shows, and culminating in me nearly buying a reduced version of her book a few weeks back - is over. I couldn't believe the way her and her vicious little gang behaved last night.
What's just as worrying is the amount of people texting into GMTV this morning saying how Shilpa deserves it, and giving a variety of frankly ridiculous reasons for it. The most popular being that "she's an actress, so she's playing the victim and manipulating them into being horrible to her". People can't really think this, can they? It worries me that it's said because they realise "she's an indian" wouldn't be broadcast.
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Post by audrey notwhatsheusedtobe on Jan 18, 2007 11:06:30 GMT
Watched it this morning and have to say that Jade's response to 'your claim to fame is this, good for you' was hysterical What is so funny is that she's really bothered by that comment and yet it is undeniably true. It's great to see Shilpa getting more feisty and I'm really liking Jermaine now. The whole backlash thing is worrying though. I also don't like this notion that Jade is defending the working classes - a frequent excuse trotted out by her supporters now. Even on the Guardian Comments area people are saying "but slagging off the working classes for being ignorant is just another form of racism". That view itself is offensive. Are all working class people ignorant, screaming fucking lunatics? No, it's Jade's behaviour people hate. |
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Post by thelovelykate on Jan 18, 2007 13:15:47 GMT
The Sun and the Mirror both of which are 'working class' papers have both really been laying in to Jade and co. The Mirror more so as the Sun can't quite bring itself to actually say that Shilpa is classy and ladylike and actually deserves to win because of her marvellous conduct.
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Post by smellslikesomeghost on Jan 18, 2007 13:51:36 GMT
It's one of those squirmy issues that Guardian readers struggle with I think. If someone is ignorant because they come from a shitty background and were ill educated then is it right to condemn them for that? Well, no, but also, I would assume, it is not right to congratulate them for it, assume it is noble because it is working class, make them famous for their stupid sayings, heap praise and money on them and elevate them as if they were somehow aspirational.
It's all sickening isn't it. And the cynical side of me wonders whether putting Jade's family in was less about celebrating her and more about hoisting her by her own petard (or whatever that saying is!)
The other thing is that if there was a posh person in there (rather like George from the last BB) and they were saying such things we'd be rightly furious and wouldn't excuse them because of their class. So to offer up as an excuse for Jade and cronies that they are working class is offensive to all the thousands of intelligent, sensitive working class people in the country.
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Post by thelovelykate on Jan 18, 2007 14:49:54 GMT
To quote someone on one of The Guardian's forums yesterday:
"Just because your mother's a vile scaghead doesn't give you an excuse for having an ugly twisted soul".
While I do think that is quite a harsh comment I do agree with the point. Loads of people (celeb and otherwise) have horrible lives - not all of them are horrible people as a result.
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