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Post by quincyme on Feb 19, 2013 17:47:51 GMT
No one likes Alice.
EVERYONE has been waiting for the Chris/Alice split since the day they got married.
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Post by Steven on Feb 19, 2013 21:24:22 GMT
That's not strictly true. Alice likes Alice. Brian and Jennifer like her. Chaz the gay-sounding inept loan shark was obsessed with her. But yeah, I guess if you're not a blood relative or a weird ineffectual homosexual-seeming wannabe gangster, she is rather hard to love.
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Post by Dave on Feb 22, 2013 17:13:27 GMT
Actually all the Aldridge girls are pretty unpleasant. Even Debbie now I think about it.
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Post by pops on Feb 24, 2013 21:41:24 GMT
Actually all the Aldridge girls are pretty unpleasant. Even Debbie now I think about it. Kate's the worst. "Oh Roy, I've only promised to whisk Phoebe to South Africa for an entire school year, I don't see what the big deal is, even though I've put you in a position where you'll be the bad guy if you say no. And I'll try to keep an eye on her inbetween illicit affairs." (Although as a lifelong Corrie fan who's only been listening to the Archers for about three years, it may be that I'm just preprogrammed to side with couples named Roy and Hayley. I even imagine Hayley wearing a red anorak to work at Lower Loxley.) Also: llama drama. I hope Wolfgang didn't die of TB, I don't want David to have an excuse to lecture Lynda on why all badgers should be run over on sight,
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Post by Steven on Feb 25, 2013 10:43:47 GMT
Oh, me too. I know Lynda's been a pain in the arse about the badgers, but that's a drop in the ocean compared to how insufferable David's going to be if her llamas have got TB.
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Post by Dave on Feb 25, 2013 14:24:56 GMT
I am already more invested in the llamadrama than in anything to do with MattPaulLillian or Alice moving to Canada.
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Post by pops on Mar 3, 2013 17:50:55 GMT
While I totally agree with Dave that usually one of the joys of the Archers is that not much actually happens, I really wish they'd hurry up and turn Paul into a bunny boiler already. Presumably he hasn't gone to the trouble of renting a flat and uprooting his life just for the privilege of taking Lilian antiques shopping when Matt's in a meeting. I'm sick of Lilian sighing about how wonderful it is to see him - let's get to the stalking and emotional blackmail.
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Post by Dave on Mar 4, 2013 23:34:01 GMT
The funny thing is I didn't that vibe from Paul the first time around at all. But this time my soap-stalker klaxon goes off every time he opens his mouth. Meanwhile.... earlier this week when Pip and Kate were in the same broken down car together I wondered if that's the worst collection of Archers characters you could get in a scene? Who would be your nightmare grouping of Ambridge residents and why?
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Post by quincyme on Mar 5, 2013 7:18:04 GMT
Pip and Tom Emma and Tom Pip and emma
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Post by pops on Mar 5, 2013 23:18:26 GMT
Pip, Alice, Tom and Kathy. (Kathy hasn't been in it for ages, but the memory of her moaniness lingers - she's like the Gail Tisley-Platt-Hillman-McIntyre of Ambridge without the redeeming comedy moments.) I'm not overly fond of Ruth and David either - that's at least made the rows between them and Pip interesting, because I think they are both in the wrong. Pip should stop behaving like a spoilt brat, but who assumes their student daughter is going to want to spend her 20th birthday at a family tea without asking first?
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Post by Dave on Mar 5, 2013 23:27:29 GMT
I have to say I really went off Adam during the dairygaysecs storyline. Combine him with a moany Kathy and Peggy at her most selfrightous and you have my nightmare scene.
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Post by quincyme on Mar 6, 2013 7:21:03 GMT
The Adam shags the help storyline was clearly them saying "ah he's been hit on the head so lets make him do something out of character"
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Post by Dave on Mar 6, 2013 8:05:49 GMT
I couldn't help feeling in the real world Adam and Ian would have had a threesome with Pavel and got it all out of their system that way.
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Post by quincyme on Mar 7, 2013 7:53:03 GMT
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Post by Dave on Mar 7, 2013 8:30:21 GMT
Ok so what can a divorcee on the prowl do in six episodes? Is she going after Matt? Meh. Perhaps Chris has a cougar-style fling with her? Not sure he'll be fighting fit in time. (And can I just say I did feel a bit of a twinge of sympathy for Alice when she was told about Chris on the phone.)
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Post by Steven on Mar 7, 2013 16:04:21 GMT
"recent complaints about storylines and political correctness"
LOL DAILY MAIL
Up until recently my complaints about Alice have been mostly relating to the character rather than the actor, but after the past couple of episodes I'm left thinking that whoever plays her is a rubbish crier. I didn't feel even remotely moved by her response to the news, but Susan trying to keep it together in hospital had me in bits. I did really enjoy that scene between Jennifer and Susan in the hospital. They're two of my favourite characters (for very different reasons), and they're absolutely brilliant together.
Going back a bit to the subject of David & Ruth/Pip, you can tell they've had a comparatively easy time of it with their kids so far because they're absolutely shit at asserting any kind of authority. Pip's snotty little rant about how they couldn't have kept tabs on her if she was at university, and how Ruth was off wandering the Hindu Kush or whatever when she was 20, should've been met with a curt reminder that Pip did not go away to university, is still living at home, and is therefore still expected to behave respectfully to everyone else who lives there. Possibly with a "you little shit" tacked on at the end for good measure.
Then again, hardly anybody in Ambridge knows how to talk to their kids properly. Pat and Tony are still terrified of Helen, and she's well into her thirties at this point.
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Post by Dave on Mar 7, 2013 17:44:07 GMT
Actually the age of characters is a bit of a problem on The Archers. Because it's radio you don't really notice them ageing and many of them just become stuck in terms of attitude and character development. I was genuinely shocked that Tom was over 30 the other day, of course he needs to stand up to Tony and Pat and get his business going. For that matter where are he and Brenda going as a couple? And as for Lillian being this sexual goddess with two men lusting after her... she's almost in her 70s!
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Post by Steven on Mar 8, 2013 12:38:55 GMT
The thing about Tom needing to get his business going is that it's not so very long ago that he and Helen strongarmed their parents into buying the farm so that they'd have something to inherit. Now Tom has his shitty ready meals and Helen has spawned and neither of them actually want to do any work on said farm. So frankly they can both fuck right off.
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Post by quincyme on Mar 10, 2013 13:32:09 GMT
Two things from this weeks omnibus -
1 - leave him Brenda, you've realised he's a git so why stay? 2 - Alice is now going to give up her dream job in Canada to look after Chris - couldnt they come up with something different, wouldnt it be far better if they finally realise that they are unsuited and she goes off whilst he stays.
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Post by pops on Mar 10, 2013 22:16:54 GMT
Two things from this weeks omnibus - 1 - leave him Brenda, you've realised he's a git so why stay? 2 - Alice is now going to give up her dream job in Canada to look after Chris - couldnt they come up with something different, wouldnt it be far better if they finally realise that they are unsuited and she goes off whilst he stays. Yes, with Brenda and Tom, it's not so much that they're going through a rough patch or that he's just getting on her nerves a bit - she seems to actively hate him. Understandable, but not really a basis for a longterm relationship.
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Post by Steven on Mar 11, 2013 11:05:52 GMT
Brenda telling Tom that he was a self-centred git who makes shit ready meals was so satisfying that I quite wanted a cigarette afterwards.
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Post by Dave on Mar 11, 2013 17:13:30 GMT
But even for Brian the final words of Sunday's episode were pretty cold.
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Post by pops on Mar 11, 2013 18:16:30 GMT
Did he say that if Chris dies, at least Alice would be free to go to Canada with a clear conscience? I didn't hear it - I tend to binge on the omnibus - but that sounds like something Brian would think/say. I'm guessing it's either that, or that seeing as they were destined to break up anyway, at least if he died he wouldn't have a claim on Alice's massive future earnings as an internationally head-hunted aeronautical engineer. Every cloud...
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Post by Dave on Mar 11, 2013 19:09:16 GMT
Basically if Chris dies then Brian says Jenny should prepare herself for Alice leaving so she can get away from all the memories in Ambridge.
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Post by pops on Mar 11, 2013 21:18:31 GMT
Nice. See, in a way, he was doing Jennifer a favour by knocking up another woman, because she'll have Rouairi (sp?) to keep her company when all her other kids have emigrated (maybe Adam will have moved to Poland by the end of the year to fin Pavel.) Or she would have if they hadn't packed him off to boarding school.
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