Mike
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Post by Mike on Jan 26, 2007 13:16:04 GMT
So on a scale of one to ten, how pissed off do you think Beyonce is not to have got an Oscar nomination? Having co-written Listen, Beyonce did in fact get an Oscar nomination, so my guess would be somewhere between zero and about a four at the most. The Best Actress category is a one-horse race anyway - everyone whose name isn't Helen Mirren has a chance roughly equal to that of the Prince song from Happy Feet. (Hint: it's not actually nominated).
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Post by thelovelykate on Jan 26, 2007 13:59:31 GMT
I don't really like musicals and wouldn't normally want to watch something like this but I am quite tempted by the prospect of Eddie Murphy being good. He is often a bit shit but when he is good he is really good and (quite sadly) I do think he has an amazing singing voice.
For those of you who have seen it should I allow myself to be lured in by Eddie Murphy?
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Post by FeelsLikeKellyCrabtree on Jan 26, 2007 14:48:35 GMT
So on a scale of one to ten, how pissed off do you think Beyonce is not to have got an Oscar nomination? Having co-written Listen, Beyonce did in fact get an Oscar nomination, so my guess would be somewhere between zero and about a four at the most. Is that "co-wrote" in the same way that she co-wrote the cover she did of Vicky B's 'Resentment'?
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Post by georgie on Jan 26, 2007 15:30:31 GMT
I don't really like musicals and wouldn't normally want to watch something like this but I am quite tempted by the prospect of Eddie Murphy being good. He is often a bit shit but when he is good he is really good and (quite sadly) I do think he has an amazing singing voice. For those of you who have seen it should I allow myself to be lured in by Eddie Murphy? Yes. My flatmate and I were laughing all the time, he was great in this (or so is our opinion!)
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Post by David Hunter on Jan 28, 2007 22:57:14 GMT
Was watching it thinking, 'why all the fuss about Jennifer Hudson. The fat girl playing Effie is amazing!' without realising Hudson had Zellwegered up to play the part. I don't remember her being as big on Idol. Now I understand! I'd got Jennifer Hudson mixed up with LaToya London. I just presumed London would be the one in the movie as they'd always made out on 'Idol' she had a musical theatre voice.
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Post by Danniiboy on Jan 29, 2007 16:07:50 GMT
I saw this last night and it's the first time I've ever been in a film where the audience has clapped at some point - it happened during I'm Telling You I'm Not Going, and right at the end when the credits rolled and Jennifer Hudson's name came up.
I really enjoyed it - I've never been a big fan of musicals in the past, I think I always thought of them as old fashioned like The Sound Of Music and Oklahoma (!) but after seeing this and Chicago I think I've become a musicals fan!
I even tolerated Beyonce who normally I can't stand. It's all about JH though - Effie is pretty much the central pivot of the movie and she's the one you are rooting for!
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Post by Rad on Feb 2, 2007 15:35:08 GMT
Eddie Murphy and Jennifer Hudson were great - but how on earth can la Hudson be nominated as 'best <i>supporting</i> actress' in the Oscars when she has more lines, more songs and more screen time than anyone else in the film, and it's all about her? Is it just cos the best actress catgory is so strong she'd have no chance so they put her in this category to actually give her a statue?
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Post by georgie on Feb 2, 2007 17:07:23 GMT
I'm getting the soundtrack on the weekend! ÂŁ8.99 from HMV (I have ÂŁ8 vouchers from Christmas). Joyous days! *hand jives to One Night Only*
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Post by jamie on Feb 3, 2007 20:37:54 GMT
I saw this tonight and I thought it was good.
JH and eddie murphey were really good, beyonce was so-so and jamie foxx was quite good.
I felt that apart from I'm telling you I'm not going, there weren't any amazing songs in it and this let the film down. JH was really impressive and she seemed the most natural of all of them.
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Post by Joel on Feb 3, 2007 22:07:33 GMT
Eddie Murphy and Jennifer Hudson were great - but how on earth can la Hudson be nominated as 'best <i>supporting</i> actress' in the Oscars when she has more lines, more songs and more screen time than anyone else in the film, and it's all about her? Is it just cos the best actress catgory is so strong she'd have no chance so they put her in this category to actually give her a statue? It's just cos Beyonce will cut a bitch if someone gets more attention than her. Even with the Golden Globe and the Oscar nomination, Jennifer Hudson still isn't on the posters or in the adverts. Beyonce is placated, Jennifer knows she's the best thing in it, everyone's happy. I love that Anika Noni Rose (the third girl) has shelves at home groaning with Tonys and Drama Desk awards, JH is getting all this buzz and Beyonce is reduced to carping about her Grammys as if Grammys count for anything.
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Post by pops on Feb 3, 2007 22:44:51 GMT
It's just cos Beyonce will cut a bitch if someone gets more attention than her. Even with the Golden Globe and the Oscar nomination, Jennifer Hudson still isn't on the posters or in the adverts. Beyonce is placated, Jennifer knows she's the best thing in it, everyone's happy. I love that Anika Noni Rose (the third girl) has shelves at home groaning with Tonys and Drama Desk awards, JH is getting all this buzz and Beyonce is reduced to carping about her Grammys as if Grammys count for anything. Beyonce's dad says the only reason she didn't win a Golden Globe was because of racism. That might have sounded a bit more convincing if Jennifer Hudson and Eddie Murphy hadn't both won, and the film hadn't been named Best Musical/Comedy.
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Post by Sparkle on Feb 4, 2007 15:52:24 GMT
Just seen it. I quite enjoyed it. Hudson was amazing, Beyonce was meh. I thought it was quite an average interpretation, though - it didn't seem to know whether it wanted to be a "proper" musical (which is fairly difficult to do if you still want to be contemporary - Chicago managed it by using all the daydream sequences) and a biopic with music. Anyway, yes, it was fairly good.
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Post by jetsetwilly on Feb 4, 2007 18:28:30 GMT
I've been confused by this. Is it a proper musical, with people singing in the street for no apparent reason (in which case I'd like to see it)? Or is it a cheating musical, where all the musical numbers are sung by the characters on stage (in which case I can't be arsed)?
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Post by Sparkle on Feb 4, 2007 20:38:27 GMT
They do burst into song for no apparent reason. But they also have a lot of numbers where the characters sing on stage.
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Post by Sparkle on Feb 4, 2007 23:17:40 GMT
Oh, also I did cry for much of the last 15 minutes of the film, because I knew the big happy-ever-after Hollywood ending was coming, unlike what happened to Florence Ballard in real life. Sob.
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Mike
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Post by Mike on Feb 7, 2007 15:20:37 GMT
It's just cos Beyonce will cut a bitch if someone gets more attention than her. Even with the Golden Globe and the Oscar nomination, Jennifer Hudson still isn't on the posters or in the adverts. Beyonce is placated, Jennifer knows she's the best thing in it, everyone's happy. I love that Anika Noni Rose (the third girl) has shelves at home groaning with Tonys and Drama Desk awards, JH is getting all this buzz and Beyonce is reduced to carping about her Grammys as if Grammys count for anything. Beyonce's dad says the only reason she didn't win a Golden Globe was because of racism. That might have sounded a bit more convincing if Jennifer Hudson and Eddie Murphy hadn't both won, and the film hadn't been named Best Musical/Comedy. Matthew Knowles says a lot of very stupid things, none of which should be blamed on his daughter. Remember all that rubbish about the eternally pointless Solange joining Destiny's Child, which mysteriously (and mercifully) never happened? Something tells me that Beyonce has had to bring her dad into line once or twice, rather than vice versa. All this stuff about Jennifer Hudson not being on the poster - well, she is for a start, unless that's Jamie Foxx and Eddie Murphy in remarkably well-fitting dresses. Her name isn't there because she's not a recognisable star worldwide, whereas Beyonce is and that's a major selling point of the film. Hardly rocket science - and as for the Supporting Actress issue, it's down to tactics on the part of the studio when pushing for certain nominations. This film doesn't really have a clear-cut leading role, and she stands a far better chance of victory in the category she's in - besides, such tactics aren't exactly new. Marisa Tomei and Mira Sorvino, to name but two, have previously won that category in what were essentially leading roles. Oh, I finally got round to seeing the film the other day. Enjoyable enough, good performances all round and the singing was faultless, but the spontaneous bursting into song didn't translate well on screen.
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Post by klee on Feb 16, 2007 10:55:23 GMT
Oh dear, what a mess this film was. For a musical about some of the best pop music produced in the last fifty years, the songs were astonishingly weak, the structure was all over the place and it was very under-choreographed. It's a musical for heaven's sake and they were all just stood there bellowing at one another.
Jennifer Hudson was impressive but we didn't see Effies journey back towards the light in anywhere near enough detail. Instead we got the boring stuff: Deena's meteoric rise to fame represented in the way that only fiction can do it. It had none of the drama of the 'real' story: the scheming, pregnancy, insecurity (Diana Ross was on her uppers when I'm Coming Out came along, for example).
It was also too bloody long.
What struck me most, however, was that it was a musical which failed dramatically because it had its roots not in the stage or film musical, in which songs are used to drive the story forward or expand on emotional 'moments' but in pop music TV. It felt like a clip show rather than a film, and frankly a Supremes documentary would have had better songs and a more gripping narrative.
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Post by Sparkle on Feb 16, 2007 13:18:53 GMT
All this stuff about Jennifer Hudson not being on the poster - well, she is for a start, unless that's Jamie Foxx and Eddie Murphy in remarkably well-fitting dresses. I thought it was the mk2 version of the group in the poster.
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Post by pops on Feb 16, 2007 22:38:26 GMT
Oh dear, what a mess this film was. For a musical about some of the best pop music produced in the last fifty years, the songs were astonishingly weak, the structure was all over the place and it was very under-choreographed. It's a musical for heaven's sake and they were all just stood there bellowing at one another. Jennifer Hudson was impressive but we didn't see Effies journey back towards the light in anywhere near enough detail. Instead we got the boring stuff: Deena's meteoric rise to fame represented in the way that only fiction can do it. It had none of the drama of the 'real' story: the scheming, pregnancy, insecurity (Diana Ross was on her uppers when I'm Coming Out came along, for example). It was also too bloody long. What struck me most, however, was that it was a musical which failed dramatically because it had its roots not in the stage or film musical, in which songs are used to drive the story forward or expand on emotional 'moments' but in pop music TV. It felt like a clip show rather than a film, and frankly a Supremes documentary would have had better songs and a more gripping narrative. I really wanted to see this when I thought it was the story of the Supremes with the names changed for legal reasons, but then everything I've heard about it since suggests that they've really blanded it out, especially regarding the Diana Ross/Beyonce character. I read a book about Motown which suggested she didn't need much encouragement to hog the spotlight - appparently when the Motown groups were on tour together, she used to ring Berry Gordy to tell him if any of the other girl groups were forgetting their steps or partying too much.
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Post by FeelsLikeKellyCrabtree on Feb 21, 2007 14:08:57 GMT
I saw this last night and loved it. The only think that bothered me was that when Effie sings "I'm Telling You.." it didn't break into a big Studio 54 style disco number a la Rowetta's version. That would have been ace.
Still, I was impressed with how long she held some of those notes, such a powerful voice! That's one to download on iTunes.
Also this film made me realise that Beyonce does have quite a good voice. I hadn't realised it up until then just how good she was. Still doesn't make me like her, though
EDIT : There's a disco mix of "I'm Not Telling You..." by Jennifer Hudson in iTunes - joy!
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Post by coxy1979 on Jun 18, 2007 8:39:32 GMT
Sorry to resurrect this, but I watched it last night.
If you really look at it closely, it is quite frankly a load of camp old nonsense, what with all the wigs, glitter and melodrama.
However, there is something about it which made me love it. I'm not proud of it, but I thought it was fabulous (loved the bit when One Night Only turned into a disco number in what seemed to be a club for the gays).
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Post by David Hunter on Jun 18, 2007 14:22:17 GMT
If you really look at it closely, it is quite frankly a load of camp old nonsense Closely? It's a load of camp old nonsense even if you watched it from another Continent! Pinter it ain't! That's why we love it.
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Post by Adrian on Jun 18, 2007 16:42:19 GMT
How odd. I too watched this yesterday.
I too loved how Effie roared / belted out almost everything she said.
I too now want to dress me up Deena Ross style. I too loved the One Night Only turning disco.
I too noticed that it's a bit flimsy in the plot / direction and such.
It's nice when we all agree.
A
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Post by Steven on Aug 9, 2007 10:19:46 GMT
I too now want to dress me up Deena Ross style. I too loved the One Night Only turning disco. I was watching this last night, and I loved that as well as all the obvious Supremes references, there was lots of hilarious Destiny's Child meta in there as well. I loved that bit especially for the "sod your heartfelt and emotive version, we're going to make Beyoncé release a horrendously overproduced and empty version and make shitloads of money instead!" I like to picture Michelle Williams watching this film with a huge bucket of popcorn and cackling her little heart out.
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Post by mcqueen on Feb 11, 2008 21:05:06 GMT
I have just seen this! (The Shame).
I liked it a million times more than I thought (because of Beyonce's presence of course). I just LOVED the 70s version of the dreamettes and all the period stylings.
I also am glad that they didnt go down the more heartbreaking realistic route of what actually happened in the Supremes.
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