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Post by issy on Jun 30, 2004 12:51:54 GMT
I was just wondering if my flatmate and I were the only two persons shouting at our television screen.
That woman with her swearing and her trashy look is an utter disgrace. To any mother and women out there. I cannot believe she is a real human being in charge of raising kids.
I was feeling so so sorry for her poor kids in the end. Even her husband got my sympathy for crying out loud, at least he was trying harder by the end of it.
And swearing at other people and at your own kids is insulting and wrong. Hence the word swearing, you stupid woman.
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Post by zaffra on Jun 30, 2004 13:02:29 GMT
oops you beat me to it.
I still thought that Mrs Prison Warder was awful aswell, shouting at that little kid calling him a liar (what proof did she have?) telling him he should be punished.
Neither of the woman had any understanding or compassion for the family they were entering, and I don't think they learnt anything from the experience.
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Post by klee on Jun 30, 2004 13:43:31 GMT
"I like chaos."
"I got lice."
This was as much as I saw. The trashy Mum seemed like a right harpy - a child supposed to be looking after children.
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Post by jamie on Jun 30, 2004 13:46:32 GMT
I liked the prison warden people more than the other people. But I didn't like all the punishment. The bedtime stuff was sensible.
And I couldn't believe that woman got her husband to do everything. That's not very healthy.
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Post by moondial on Jun 30, 2004 13:55:39 GMT
I liked the prison warden people more than the other people. I was the opposite. Though I did like the subtle indications that both sets of parents smack their kids. And no way in Hell would I let anyone make my kids pray, rules or not. |
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Post by Mimternet on Jun 30, 2004 15:12:21 GMT
Both were very extreme but I got the impression both parents did care about their children. Both were at fault, as our all families under such scrutiny.
I did feel for the strict woman when she went into the other house and de-liced the kids. She didn't have to do that.
Parenting must be a very difficult thing to, so I do give them both respect for caring in their own ways.
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Post by moondial on Jun 30, 2004 15:43:01 GMT
Aside from living on a Council Estate and swearing exactly what grounds were there that Lucy was "worse than Lizzie Bardsley"?
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Post by elmsyrup on Jun 30, 2004 16:00:42 GMT
I liked the sweary woman a lot. Yes she wasn't a classy grownup but what's wrong with that? Neither was the other woman classy, after all. Prison warders have warped views of humanity and I think they were wrong- if you completely ban self-expression it's not going to make the kid less likely to commit a crime, it'll make them more likely. And not all crimes are bad, anyway. It's the getting caught that matters. Plus no child needs the fear of god put into them, that's so wrong.
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Post by zaffra on Jun 30, 2004 16:06:41 GMT
"I like chaos." "I got lice." /me points finger Errrgh you've got nits, you've got nits |
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Post by SweatShop on Jun 30, 2004 17:08:25 GMT
I don't think the bedtime thing was sensible. That boy must have been about 10 years old and he was going to bed at half 8. That is not reasonable...
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Post by si on Jul 1, 2004 9:29:46 GMT
I liked Lucy too.
Mah problemz, bein ere, wiv YOU is possibly my new favourite catchphrase.
They were as bad as eachother but Pat just pipped it for me. It was unfortunate that Lucy's kids had lice, which suggested that they were extremely dirty and Tommy Lee was shown to be so sly and smug, I would've screamed that he's a liar in his face too.
However, at least Lucy was smart enough to have a laugh at the situation Pat's kids were in. When she couldn't deal that the little girl was telling her, If you steal, you go to hell, it showed her to have her head screwed on properly, despite the programme makers pandering the current chavscum feeling in the UK right now.
Oh, and Pat: the child is a girl, her name's Antonia, not Antonio.
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Post by zaffra on Jul 7, 2004 12:33:05 GMT
Did you see it last night?
They've given up pretending it's 'Wife Swap' (one contestant was a single mum) and should just rename it 'Class War'.
You get an insight into the modus operandi of two very different women, but do they learn anything? Can they teach their surrogate families anything? Mostly the answer is no, so what's the point?
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Post by si on Jul 7, 2004 12:54:39 GMT
I don't know, I think this series is a little more subtle and last series was more about Class Wars. Series One was all about how awful it must be to be poor because when you're poor you shout a lot and live in a dump and eat microwave meals constantly. This series, they've picked out swappers with both positive and negative qualities.
Lucy versus Pat: neither were model mothers, but you couldn't say either was a bad mother. Lucy's kids had nits -- so does every child when they're growing up. Pat told her kids they're going to hell -- not exactly modern parenting, but it's better than beating the kids into submission.
Last night, we were supposed to think Posho was a snob. While she was painfully aware of the cameras and came off as being a little false ("I feel for you.") she was genuinely interested in doing her best by Terry and taking on the role of mother and father. Shaz's story in particular did demonstrate something about Wife as opposed to Class swap as Terry was obviously in need of a strong father figure (and even a strong mother figure who was actually interested in her own kids and not other peoples). In the end, not counting the total cunt of a husband, it was Shaz who came off looking worse by shouting the Posho down, even though the programme was set up to paint her as the villain.
Just like last week, it was a case of both as bad as eachother. I think this series is doing a much better job at examining British society than the last series' freakshow attitude did.
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Post by issy on Jul 7, 2004 13:26:15 GMT
And again , last night installement make me realise how totally fucking ace my parents are.
And that's a nice feeling.
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Post by elmsyrup on Jul 7, 2004 16:42:22 GMT
For me last night's show was all about obsessive compulsive disorder. Either the husband was enabling and indulging the wife in her addiction, or even worse, he was using it for his own benefit. Either way it really isn't healthy. You deal with OCD by taking chances and moving beyond the boundaries of comfort. As he wasn't doing that or helping her at all he wasn't good for her mental health. There's even a possibility she passed her problem onto the kids- though probably not as they did nothing to clean up after themselves so they're most likely just brewing themselves up to shout at their housekeepers as adults. What a sad life though, where even the husband admitted her "only pleasure" was cleaning. And it wasn't even her fault. Perhaps she didn't even know she had OCD. I bet she does now though. www.channel4.com/life/microsites/W/wife_swap/shows/02/ |
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Post by Becky on Jul 7, 2004 16:48:27 GMT
Yeah.
The other "wife" I thought didnt really take any notice of the family on the 2nd week - were the children involved at all other than to say yay to the party?
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Post by smellslikesomeghost on Jul 13, 2004 23:00:06 GMT
Tonight's wife (13th July) swap was hugely irritating mainly due to the fat, ugly, red curly haired wife who kept saying how important it is to look one's best. Then she slobbed around in the most disgusting tracky bottoms/vest top combo. How she had the nerve to criticise the way the other family looked is beyond me. The earnest American charity shop wife looked way more stylish.
I'm going to treat the children to 20 bags of crisps. Well, go you.
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Post by Andrew* on Jul 14, 2004 1:06:08 GMT
Yes the red haired lady was very irritating. When she put the kids in front of the TV and she described them as being 'mesmorized' as if this was some kind of major achievement. To say she liked looking her best, you're right, she looked bloody awful.
I did find the American lady quite amusing. When she said '' You're being nasty and I want you to stop.'' she said it it in such an odd way.
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Post by elmsyrup on Jul 14, 2004 2:24:14 GMT
You know who the non-environmentalist actually was, don't you? GROTBAGS!
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Post by smellslikesomeghost on Jul 14, 2004 9:35:25 GMT
You know who the non-environmentalist actually was, don't you? GROTBAGS! Fuck, you're right! Evil grotbags tempting the kiddies with salty snacks, ice cream and t.v. Bribing them with pink Asda clothes, wobbling around cackling. |
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Post by zaffra on Jul 14, 2004 13:11:43 GMT
I enjoyed it more last night, although they said they probably wouldn't change their lives, I do think they aknowledged that the wives way of doing things had at least a few valid points.
Grotbags' daughter seemed to have a marked improvement in her behavior when she was given a bit of attention rather than left on her own to watch tv. The father noticed and enjoyed this.
Likewise the eco daughter (although behaving like a spoilt brat) needed to go through that whole I don't want tv, don't turn the tv off thing - just so her dad could see how cocooned her upbringing had been. (amusingly the eco boy couldn't give a toss about tv)
And for two such polar examples I'm glad it didn't end in a complete shouting match.
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Post by elmsyrup on Jul 14, 2004 15:37:01 GMT
And for two such polar examples I'm glad it didn't end in a complete shouting match. In fact, it was the only one in the series that hasn't. So they can't have found it too bad. |
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Post by Steven on Jul 14, 2004 16:29:21 GMT
Grotbags' daughter seemed to have a marked improvement in her behavior when she was given a bit of attention rather than left on her own to watch tv. The father noticed and enjoyed this. The daughter was an utter horror at the beginning, wasn't she? That scene of her in bed screaming "Mum!! Where's my breakfast?! I want my breakfast NOW!!!" I've never particularly wanted kids on the grounds that I don't think I'm responsible enough to take care of them properly, but when you look at some people like that who just appear to have no idea how to raise a child properly, it does make you wonder. |
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Post by zaffra on Jul 14, 2004 16:41:55 GMT
In fact, it was the only one in the series that hasn't. So they can't have found it too bad. Grotbags tried to stir it up by taunting them about the fact they were claiming benefits. If she hadn't been such a hysteric I think she had quite a valid point. I admire some of their green ideals and think 'the good life' appeals in many ways, but I would never collect benefits except as a last resort - and choosing to live on benefits is selfish, Mr+Mrs Eco were educated and could have got themselves work. |
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Post by Mimternet on Jul 15, 2004 12:06:00 GMT
This week wasn't so bad, I think both families had points but of course each came off badly.
Eco warriors were in the wrong to be claiming benefits raised on the taxes of a nation that goes against their eco ideals. I'm sure it is perfectly plausible to play your part in conserving the environment and work.
The other mother, good god, I did want to hate her (and I did) but she still seemed fairly OK. Not in the sense that I would ever want to go near her, just that she did care about things and did have a few valid points. She was incredibly narrorminded from the outset however, when the eco-mum was incredibly nice and accepting of the other 'horrid' family.
The more I type the more I realise the other family was just disgusting, the sexist pig husband, the AWFUL styled red hair to make her "beautiful" and that brat of a girl. What an awful child "1. I want my TV back, 2. I want my mum back" - priorities, priorities.
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