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Post by Bungle on Mar 17, 2013 21:19:23 GMT
Anyone else watching this? I'm rather enjoying it. It looks gorgeous (the first episode was a little over stylised, but it has calmed down) and, accents aside, there are some nice performances. It has its fair share of cliches but it works. I do have two questions: How did Danny die? I know they said it was suspicious but I must have missed the specifics. Why did they look in that beach hut thing, was it just on a whim? I think I was having a wee at this point. It seems odd that they made a big deal of how unlikely it seemed that anything had happened there as it was two miles from where the body was found - so why did they look there in the first place? Anyway, my theory for who did it: The dad and someone else. Now, obviously, the dad is currently the big obvious red herring - but we still have six episodes to go. I think we'll soon have some big reason why the dad can't possibly have done it, to take him off the suspect radar for a bit, only for that to be dispelled in the last episode.
My rationale: It has to be someone close to Danny or it won't be emotionally satisfying. It has to be someone who is pretty prominent in the first episode or it won't be dramatically satisfying. That leaves us with the family, and I don't buy that anyone other family member would have done it. Also, the-main-suspect-actually-did-it-in-the-end is a mainstay of ITV's "serious" murder mysteries.
Also, is it too obvious that the dad was shagging the postman? Is that a red herring?
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Post by pops on Mar 17, 2013 22:06:17 GMT
I'm pretty sure they said Danny had been strangled, and the marks around his neck meant he had been facing his killer at the time, suggesting it was more likely to be someone he knew. Then he was dumped on the beach to make it look like he'd fallen off a cliff. I don't know if the fact the killer was too lazy to dispose of the body at sea will be significant.
I'm enjoying it - it's better than Mayday, which went to such lengths to make you think everyone did it that no one ever had a proper conversation, and all the schoolkids looked 25 - but I agree about the accents being a weakness. At first I thought it was a mistake to have Olivia Colman do it in her Hot Fuzz accent, but then it's more distracting when it disappears entirely. She's still great though.
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Post by Bungle on Mar 17, 2013 22:34:29 GMT
Thanks!
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Post by Paul on Mar 18, 2013 11:50:41 GMT
They also pointed out that the strangler had big hands. The significance of the beach hut was just David Tennant (looking like a less hot Andre Villas Boas) walking along the cliff and having his curiosity aroused.
I'm enjoying it, especially the wess cun'ree aaxunts.
I wondered if the dad might be a closet homosexual, hence his reluctance to say who he was with that night.
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Post by Steven on Mar 18, 2013 12:27:58 GMT
Arthur Darvill dunnit. (No insider information, that's just who Chris and I decided to put our figurative bet on while watching episode two.)
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Post by Rad on Mar 18, 2013 17:55:34 GMT
I'm enjoying it too - May Day was OK but a bit laboured (and why didn't they show it in May?) but this seems to have some legs.
David Tennant's character did it. Because he's grumpy.
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Post by Bungle on Mar 31, 2013 11:08:36 GMT
After the last couple of episodes I'd like to revise my previous post. (Speculation, but I've spoilered it anyway). Olivia Colman's husband dunnit. Even the dates match up - they met 13 years ago, 15 years ago was when this similar crime happened so she wouldn't have known about it. They seemed to be at pains to be specific here.
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Post by Paul on Apr 1, 2013 20:23:21 GMT
I was a bit disappointed with naked Ollie but the anal sex comment made me giggle.
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Post by pops on Apr 1, 2013 21:35:28 GMT
If the papers/police had found out that the newsagent had been in prison for underage sex, wouldn't they have done the little bit of extra research and found out the actual details of the case, including the age and gender of the victim? I wonder if they CRB-checked him before he got the caretaking job at Hogwarts?
Having said that, I'm still enjoying this and I think Bungle's theory is a good shout. But I still think there has to be slightly more to the dad's story than we've seen so far - no matter how much he didn't want the wife to find out he was testing the facilities at the local hotel, I can't really imagine anyone coming that close to being charged with their son's murder to cover up an affair, especially if it meant the cops weren't out catching the real killer.
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Post by Steven on Apr 2, 2013 9:41:30 GMT
After the last couple of episodes I'd like to revise my previous post. (Speculation, but I've spoilered it anyway). Olivia Colman's husband dunnit. Even the dates match up - they met 13 years ago, 15 years ago was when this similar crime happened so she wouldn't have known about it. They seemed to be at pains to be specific here. Also when Hardy made that comment about how "the job" always ruins relationships and Ellie chirped "not ours!" immediately, that totally rang alarm bells for me.
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Post by Paul on Apr 2, 2013 20:21:39 GMT
Pauline "I know men who'll rape you" Quirke and her double identity and sinister come ons to teenage boys is a bit creepy, but most likely a red herring. The Australian marriage wrecker with her disappeared business partner and creeping debts could be a candidate too. And then of course there's David Tennant himself, desperate to solve a crime after the disaster which was the previous case he fucked up.
I agree with Pops about the unbelievableness of the kiddy fiddler situation and the confrontation scene with the vigilantes left me feeling incredibly patronised. But then would any police force allow a detective to investigate a murder when she's incredibly close to the victims.
But I'm still enjoying it.
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Post by Paul on Apr 8, 2013 20:23:35 GMT
I've decided I agree with Bungle's speculation. I think that Danny was being nonced by Pauline Quirke and others and groomed Olivia Colman's son into it, and the dad found out about it.
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Post by Muinimula on Apr 9, 2013 17:08:16 GMT
Thoroughly enjoying this, but it's been slightly spoiled by the bf, who pointed out how much unnecessary slow-motion walking there is. And now I can't not notice it.
It's like Splash! all over again.
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Post by Bungle on Apr 9, 2013 19:51:37 GMT
Yeah I still think I'm right, especially given some of the heavy handed 'ironic' conversations.
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Post by pops on Apr 9, 2013 20:39:29 GMT
My main problem is that I'm still thinking of everyone by job title/relation to Danny/actors name, and haven't really got the character names down. So, when Young Journalist told Olivia Colman who'd been out with him in the boat that time, I was really hoping it wouldn't be significant as I had no idea who he was on about. Judging by Olivia Colman's reaction, either her son or husband was in the mix.
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Post by Paul on Apr 15, 2013 20:52:30 GMT
Yeah I still think I'm right, especially given some of the heavy handed 'ironic' conversations. Like "how could you not know what was going on under your own roof?"
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Post by pops on Apr 15, 2013 21:08:15 GMT
I thought of Bungle when she said that too!
Was Tanya Franks from Pulling/EastEnders Olivia Colman's sister or sister-in-law - didn't she say she had info she'd share for cash? I keep thinking they'll bring her back for a key scene in the final ep, as she's too good an actress to have been given nothing to do...
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Post by Bungle on Apr 16, 2013 0:55:48 GMT
I haven't seen tonight's ep, but thanks!
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Post by Bungle on Apr 16, 2013 20:24:05 GMT
I've seen last night's ep now - I still think I'm right!
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Post by Bungle on Apr 22, 2013 21:09:48 GMT
Well, there we are. The final episode was disappointing without being terrible - it managed to simultaneously lack logic and be obvious, which is quite some feat. Then there's the unresolved question of Psychic Jambo...
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Post by pops on Apr 22, 2013 21:30:29 GMT
After the fairly heavy hints last week, it wasn't a massive surprise whodunit (although unlike Bungle, I can't say I would have worked it out before that...), so I liked that the revelation came fairly early and they devoted a huge chunk of the programme to the aftermath. Olivia Colman was brilliant, I loved the way her face just crumpled. And the way she tried to kick the shit out of him.
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Post by Steven on Apr 22, 2013 21:46:53 GMT
I like that they kept reminding us today through various sources that the actor playing the killer didn't know it was them until the very last minute. Which just means they're slower than most of the viewers, who'd worked it out by the end of episode four.
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Post by Bungle on Apr 22, 2013 21:57:19 GMT
I never believe it when they say stuff like that anyway!
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Post by Bungle on Apr 22, 2013 21:59:01 GMT
Oh, and as well as Psychic Jambo, there was the clocks stopping business. Either make it a proper supernatural drama or don't - it's irritating otherwise.
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Post by Rad on Apr 23, 2013 20:32:22 GMT
I agree about the lack of resolution on some points and it being very obvious - weirdly, this and Mayday effectively had the same resolution.
Other than that, though, great work from all involved - stunning visuals, excellent performances (although Vicky McClure was a bit wasted I think - too many newspaper people really) and I'm surprised that this is actually what Chris 'rapey Owen' Chibnall is capable of going on some of his past form. That said, I really liked his last two Who episodes as well so I'm beginning to forgive him for past crimes.
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