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Post by Danniiboy on Jun 17, 2004 13:56:19 GMT
Emma is currently locked in the bedsit. Will she be thrown out. Does she deserve to be thrown out, or should someone else be the fall guy (or girl)?
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Post by Steven on Jun 17, 2004 14:02:15 GMT
I'm not so sure about "thrown out", though. I rather like the idea of putting it down to a public vote, and letting them have the sinking feeling that they're ejected because the viewing public think they're tossers, and not because Big Brother thinks they're naughty boys and girls.
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Post by jamie on Jun 17, 2004 14:05:37 GMT
Victor. As far as I understand he started it all.
I wonder whether any of them will actually murder the others by the end. It's still only what 3 weeks in?
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Post by dizzie on Jun 17, 2004 14:30:04 GMT
It’s very difficult finding out what really, truly happened last night. However, 3 different BB websites concur that Victor didn’t actually start it, but reacted to an initial confrontation happening elsewhere.
The first confrontation was actually initiated by Marco doing his seal noises and hand clapping right in front of Jason who got very pissed off (Marco was doing this following the full reveal of what had really happened in the bedsit by blabbermouth Emma – so much for the subterfuge!). He wouldn’t stop, even after Michelle pleaded with him, so Victor stepped in to separate the two of them. Emma then attacked Victor for this intervention and it seemed to escalate to her calling him racist slurs and him throwing a glass of wine over her head. Nadia got involved with calling Vanessa all sorts – and then commenced the general screaming, house smashng and Dan bodily carrying Emma away while Shell vomited out of fear and panic in the bathroom. Just what BB ordered, I’d say.
I haven’t seen any of the footage yet, but I am certain that it won’t be funny or entertaining in the least. To be quite honest, although I think Victor, Jason and Emma should (and very likely will) be evicted, Vanessa and Shell are likely to walk and I can’t imagine Dan staying much longer after these lot have departed. Based on the sequence of events, Marco should be added to the list of people to be kicked out. Besides being a complete moron in general, goading Jason was never going to be a good mood given Jason’s mental state over the past week.
Endemol should be prosecuted by the ITC for endangering lives in the pursuit of entertainment. They deliberately put the most volatile, unstable people in that house, then created 2 hysterical enemies by imprisoning them in a tiny room for 5 days without any natural light, fresh air or sense of reality, put them back together and waited for the clash of the century. Makes Kitten look like the most balanced individual of BB5, doesn’t it?
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Post by Danniiboy on Jun 17, 2004 14:33:07 GMT
Great post Dizzie, and welcome. I can't see them throwing 3 people out just like that though, who would want to go in to the house after all this, and will they cancel the eviction this week after people have voted? They'd need to refund everyone's votes...
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Post by Mimternet on Jun 17, 2004 14:34:56 GMT
I still can't believe it is only week 3 and so much has already happened. I think they just need to tell the housemates that if anything like that happens again they'll be kicked out, but add that food fights are perfectly acceptable.
Victor and Jason's completely unneccessary reactions to them entering the house again just lowered my opinions of them completely - why were they so annoyed? I can only think that they were annoyed because it upset their game plans. Enjoying tranquility? Fuck off, we want food fights! It's not Bore Brother.
While I think Emma is partly in the wrong (she was out for blood), I feel that had Victor and Jason been more welcoming this situation would not have been as bad. They are the big muscley men, they could easily have just stepped away. Idiots. Neither have any chance of winning this now, surely they must realise.
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Post by ste on Jun 17, 2004 14:41:50 GMT
actually, emma kicked the whole thing off initially by telling victor she'd seen what he was saying while she was in the bedsit, i think. then the three kiddies started a foodfight, which upset vanessa, which sent jason over the edge. he tipped over a table and started threatening to have emma, and that's where the videoclip starts. what seems to send victor over the edge is when emma says something about 'acting like he's a black man'. which is a pretty foul thing to say, but then she's a pretty fucking stupid person.
but anyway, all that's quite unimportant. you seem to be getting pretty righteous about this, dizzie. and what you're saying is endemol should be prosecuted for making some tv that you found so interesting you checked three websites to find out what's going on?
but if they're guilty, so are you. we are all part of the throng that egged this on. we all cheered at evil big brother, all thrill with delight when people argue and fight and fuck. this is exactly what we demanded. you can watch this programme with disgust if you want, but if you're watching then you're supporting it. if no-one watches, it doesn't get made.
me, i think they're all fucking idiots, and watching idiots upset idiots is quite enjoyable.
and besides, they can all leave whenever they want. they can all walk away. their greed is stopping them.
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Post by Mimternet on Jun 17, 2004 14:50:45 GMT
I think this is all getting out of hand outside of the Big Brother house let alone in it. I don't see that the programme makers have done anything wrong, they were quick to enforce the fact that the contestants health and safety is more important than the game. Noone is endangering lives other than the housemates themselves.
I am fairly sure that seeing the events of last night will be entertaining, people must have been expecting such a reaction with the mix of alcohol? I was, and I cannot wait to see what happened. Although I would like things to calm down a bit now.
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Post by orangesquash on Jun 17, 2004 15:20:05 GMT
I watched it all last night from about 7pm until about 4am, I was steaming by the end but it was utterly brilliant. The reason it all started is because Jason and Victor were so blatantly pissed off/rude when the girls came back in. Everyone was really excited including Vanessa, shell, dan not just the hareem, but the two miserbale fuckers went and sat in the snug on their own and constantly whinged and slagged off everyone except themselves for being two faced. They were not impressed as they thought they had a proper game plan i.e. the girls had been voted out because the public didnt like them, but they were really thrown (and I think a little scared) that they had actually been voted to go into the bedsit. Basically everyone in the house was having a really good laugh and popping into the snug now and then, each time a person did this victor and jason were trying to influence them into how 'bad' it was the girls were back, and shitting on all the happy peoples chips. Everyone got drunker, the miserable 2 got even more miserable. Vanessa started crying because the other people were having a food fight, and 'even though she had a maid and a gardener in south africa, they were animals and she understands there are starving poeple that should have had the food' which was the last straw for jason, he steps in the living room and tells them all to stop it and tidy up, marco says no and skips about, Jason says he will take his head off, he hid behind nadia , nadia stopped stuart getting near, emma joined in, so victor joined in, so vanessa joined in, tables flipped. wine was thrown etc etc. Having seen it all and not particualrly disliking anyone from before I would say although Emma was out of order, Jason and Victor caused it as they were being off with everyone and shit stirring big time all night. Victor knew very well how a drunken emma would react. It was excellent telly though, and all his fear of safety and all, they locked the doors and sent security blokes in when it went off air, they were still there when it came back. It was excellent telly, its what we wanted (cameron who?) and now im fuckign knackered in work because of it.
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Post by jonsclubber2 on Jun 17, 2004 16:40:49 GMT
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Post by Storm on Jun 17, 2004 17:07:49 GMT
I don't think anybody should be thrown out, but something should happen to Victor and Jason - there is no excuse for violence, especially towards women.
They should either give them a huge warning, or put them both up for eviction.
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Post by stormy on Jun 17, 2004 20:21:58 GMT
Something fishy's going on - I had tickets for the eviction tomorrow. Just had a call to say it isn't happening........
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Post by adam on Jun 17, 2004 20:48:50 GMT
That's interesting.
Is Emma even back in the house yet? Maybe they are getting rid of her and rolling the eviction over to next week.
To be honest we don't really know what fully went on, especially in the hour of "down time."
All these big brother sites get thier information from another big brother site and hence rumours and the like spread.
I'm keeping an open mind as to what went on, but I cannot wait to see it. The producers have provided us with what we, as a viewing public want to see. We all complained about how boring last year was, and this is what we've been given, and it's great.
As for the people that have complained to OfCom it is throughly pathetic - as soon as they start watching they know the potential risks of what they are going to see on such a programme. They have decided to watch the live feed, no bodys forced them, if they don't like it, switch off. End of.
The danger is this will be the high point, and it wil alll be downhill from here. However, I'm sure the producers have planned for this etc etc etc and it will just get better.
The security guards didnt have look big though!
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Post by Mike on Jun 17, 2004 22:32:20 GMT
Sorry to be predictable but I voted for Victor. Why? Because he's a wankstain. Of course.
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Post by Twiggy on Jun 17, 2004 23:01:01 GMT
Jason is the most vile person I have ever seen in my life.
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Post by Mimternet on Jun 17, 2004 23:04:40 GMT
I cannot stand Jason, I dislike him above Victor now. He has no reason to be annoyed other than the fact that he thinks he owns the place. He has to go next week.
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Post by James & The Jaunty Nyasu Vibes on Jun 17, 2004 23:12:32 GMT
While a lot of them are to blame, what with everyone getting involved at some point, it really has to be Jason. After watching what went on he blatently broke the Big Red BB Rule Which Results In Instant Dismissal, that being the threatening behaviour. I think it is anyway...
I know people have been threatening before (i'm thinking of Jade here) but that was beyond a normal fight getting nasty, that was truly scary.
Big stars to Dan though, for not only dragging Emma away but also trying to talk some sense into her, and trying to stop Nadia egging her on.
And super laughter points for Emma's comments about "Jade Goodier"
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Post by smellslikesomeghost on Jun 17, 2004 23:13:32 GMT
The thing is, much as I hate Victor's false belief that he is smart, and his sexist dribble, I also find him entertaining and from the clip tonight (big edit I'm sure) I thought he came accross better than Jay. Jay is an utter cunt, from his thonged arrival via his flirting with Dan and Vannessa, to his rage last night. Don't disrespect me, Oh who the hell does he think he is? But...Emma should not be in that house. She surely has some mental health issues? She seems to be unstable, uncomprehending and utterly fucked up. Michelle is now seeming to be the calm rational one despite the whole bunny boiler world she inhabits.
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Post by Mike on Jun 18, 2004 0:36:53 GMT
I think we can quite safely stop talking about the rules now. Those running the show clearly refer to the rulebook only when it suits them. Otherwise, people are allowed to get away with murder for the sake of 'good television'.
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Post by moondial on Jun 18, 2004 1:04:02 GMT
True but there is no rule for threats, neither is there one for dancing like a twat to taunt someone (though there should be).
However physical violence is one rule which is apparently automatic eviction (the only one Kitten didn;t break) and it was Emma who first threw a tray at Victor.
Except it won't be followed because its entertaining to send her back.
And it certainly shouldn't be Victor who was started on by Emma when he tried to break up the argument between Jay & Marco.
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Post by Floss on Jun 18, 2004 12:10:09 GMT
I think it's housemates behaviour that night that in comparison to their "norm" that determines whether the audience still likes them, or wants them punished or out.
Emma is like a kid, goading and letting things slip, and then throwing insults and trays when things get difficult. So she's OK - it's not like she's dangerous, she's just acting up a bit. (I'm not getting into the whole mental health thing and whether it's safe for her to be there. I reckon you can probably see her acting exactly the same way in Oldham or Manchester every Saturday night.)
Victor didn't actually do that much, he threw a tray, and he did a lot of standing over Emma saying I'm gonna get you, but from what I saw he wasn't actually violent. Plus, we've seen his pathetic diary room trips about who is the man, etc etc, and we know he's full of it. His behaviour isn't a surprise, it's an extension of all his ramblings and nonsense so far, and so he's probably OK.
Jason, on the other hand, his aggression seemed to come out of nowhere. He hasn't been particularly argumentative with other housemates previously, and he didn't have a long standing animosity with anyone. He spent a lot of the day looking a bit moody, but he was seriously scary during the fight. His eyes were just gone, he was totally engaged and ready to actually fight.
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Post by Jonny on Jun 18, 2004 12:16:37 GMT
Big stars to Dan though, for not only dragging Emma away but also trying to talk some sense into her, and trying to stop Nadia egging her on. And super laughter points for Emma's comments about "Jade Goodier" I thought Dan was quite crap, but he was rather excellent last night in calming everyone down. Emma explaining what Victor said was great "He called me. He called me a racist. Right. He called me thick. He said I was ugly. He said I looked like Jade Goodier.
And he said. I heard it all. He called me thick. He said I was a racist. A racist. And I look like Jade Goodier. Not that there's anything wrong with Jade Goodier."
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Post by Steven on Jun 18, 2004 12:38:31 GMT
The thing is, much as I hate Victor's false belief that he is smart, and his sexist dribble, I also find him entertaining and from the clip tonight (big edit I'm sure) I thought he came accross better than Jay. As unpleasant as I find Victor, there did seem to be points where he was amused by Emma/Nadia/Marco and was joining in the fun, albeit momentarily. I didn't see any attempt by Jason to do likewise. Though this may say far more about Endemol's editors than any of the housemates, natch.
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Post by zaffra on Jun 18, 2004 13:28:09 GMT
Jay and Victor looked totally pissed off as soon as the girls came back in the house, their faces said it all. I expect they instantly realised that they'd been had, and were probably aware that some of the things they had said would be known by the girls.
But if they think they're so smart why did they get so wound up by the 'hareems' behavior? I'm surprised at how effective Emma was at getting a reaction out of them. I think they've lost by rising to it.
Jay seems to have been the most irrational threatening behavior, but Emma and Victor have a real fued from earlier, and I can't see them patching things up.
So I think Victor has to go, with Emma and Jay on a severe warning.
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Post by smellslikesomeghost on Jun 18, 2004 14:11:49 GMT
I think it's housemates behaviour that night that in comparison to their "norm" that determines whether the audience still likes them, or wants them punished or out. Emma is like a kid, goading and letting things slip, and then throwing insults and trays when things get difficult. So she's OK - it's not like she's dangerous, she's just acting up a bit. (I'm not getting into the whole mental health thing and whether it's safe for her to be there. I reckon you can probably see her acting exactly the same way in Oldham or Manchester every Saturday night.) My point about her fragile mental state is that it is hardly entertainment to watch someone who appears to be so vulnerable having a melt down on national tv. Sure, she probably does act like that when she's out with her mates, the difference being that x million people aren't able to watch/judge and label her for the rest of her life when shes not on BB. You say she's not dangerous but in last nights programme it was Emma who threw the trayinitialy, which was a violent and aggressive act. And yes, she does have the reactions of a kid, which suggests that she is not mature enough to emerge unscathed from this experience. She is so inarticulate and out of control I have no desire to watch her as I find I just cringe with every word she tries to say. I think that she should go, and Jay too. I'd actually keep Victor in as for all his posturing and threats he did try to calm things down and did seem more in control. Though again I'd qualify that by saying that I've only seen the carefully edited highlights.
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