Reasons Why I Don't Think Aisleyne Should Win

[Greg]

I'm sorry, I think I need a little thread, even if it's all to myself, in which to express why Aisleyne shouldn't win because quite frankly, it's all getting a bit boring reading about how she's like the second coming of Jesus and how if she doesn't win the world will end. You can ban me, or delete the thread or whatever, but I'm trying to be reasonable in a forum where a lot of people seem to be acting like fools.

I'm honest. I'm not saying that if you support Aisleyne you're a fool. The whole point of this thread is that people can express support/disdain for whomever you like. However, many of the posters on this forum are acting very foolishly and idiotic in their support of Aisleyne.

Anyway, reasons why I don't think Aisleyne should win:

- Firstly, the support for her is purely reactionary. You've assumed that if you don't support Aisleyne you must support Grace or Nikki.

- Her support is only because she's less horrid than Nikki. Many of you seem unaware that she's still horrid. Just less so.

- She cries a lot. More so than Lea. When Lea did it she was an attention-seeking, hormonal, emotional wreck. This I'm not denying is probably true. But when Aisleyne does it, she's 'misunderstood' or 'growing'.

- She's the biggest fake in the house.

- She entered Big Brother knowing full well she'd have to nominate. Yet everytime nominations come around she'd have another fit of tears saying that she couldn't do it because she loved everyone so much.

- Then she'd sit in the bedroom bitching to Jennie and/or Imogen.

- Prophecy would be a low-end Fya. And if you remember Fya, they were pretty low-end already. Prophecy is not good. It's really kind of deluded and tragic. Like the schoolgirls

- She's a Dizzee Rascal fan. Which, ignoring everything else, is a crucifiable offence.

- She's a self-proclaimed ghetto princess. Which, ignoring everything else, is a crucifiable offence.

- Amid all of this delusion and childishness, she's a 27 year old woman. This doesn't make her as tragic as 24 year old Nikki, but she's still pretty tragic.

- Contrary to LCers beliefs, she's had the probably best editting of the whole series after Pete (hence your support). There is no conspiracy to make people hate her. If people hate her it's because they think she's horrid. Nikki recieved much worse editting, it's only by bringing Nikki bakc in that they've shown her any bias.

- She believes in God. Which clearly makes her as much as a fool (or desperate vote-grabber) as Pete.

- She doesn't know herself. Which is not ironically funny, just, once again, tragic and hypocritical.

- A vote for Aisleyne is a vote for Anthony Hutton and the similar do-nothings. Everything she's done has been manufactured for her or reactionary.

Then I'd ask you to maybe consider your behaviour. You'll look back in 2/3 months time and realise how idiotic and foolish you've been. Not in supporting Aisleyne, just in how you've gone about it.

Bye bye karma etc.

[Lita]

Woo! Go Greg. That's the most sensible thing I've read here all week.

[jode*]

I agree with everything you just said.

I wouldn't mind to see her win, just for Davina's face, but not for any other reason.

Every since she had a breakdown after not voting Johnathan in, I have never ever been able to like her. She is incredibly over the top and attention seeking. She clings desperately to people - she was "devestated" when Imogen (her "best friend") left, and then in Imogen's interview Ais was the last person she said she liked in the house (so their relationship was obviously one sided).

In summary- if she wins; fine, but I don't understand the amount of Ais-love on this board.

[WhiteNoiseMaker]

I'm not gonna smite ya, but rather predictably I am going to disagree with you!

greg said:

However, many of the posters on this forum are acting very foolishly and idiotic in their support of Aisleyne.

I disagree. I think most people who've supported have sounded like they have perfectly good reasons.

Anyway, reasons why I don't think Aisleyne should win:

- Firstly, the support for her is purely reactionary. You've assumed that if you don't support Aisleyne you must support Grace or Nikki.

I don't think that at all. For a long time I felt like I liked nobody in the house, now I like some people. They aren't different sides in a war.

- Her support is only because she's less horrid than Nikki. Many of you seem unaware that she's still horrid. Just less so.

You haven't put forward any even slightly convincing reasons here as to why she's horrid.

- She cries a lot. More so than Lea. When Lea did it she was an attention-seeking, hormonal, emotional wreck. This I'm not denying is probably true. But when Aisleyne does it, she's 'misunderstood' or 'growing'.

Perhaps when Lea did it she *was* being attention seeking, and perhaps when Aisleyne does it she *is* misunderstood?

- She's the biggest fake in the house.

If that was the case, it'd hardly be surprising the majority of lowculture posters would be pro-ash, then, wouldn't it! We all love a bit of artifice.

She entered Big Brother knowing full well she'd have to nominate. Yet everytime nominations come around she'd have another fit of tears saying that she couldn't do it because she couldn't do it because she loved everyone so much.

Yeah this is a little annoying. She definitely changed after being pretend-evicted. That'd have fucked me up hearing all that booing, too, but I agree she's well OTT with noms.

Then she'd sit in the bedroom bitching to Jennie and/or Imogen.

And the problem with that is? Bitching about what?

Prophecy would be a low-end Fya. And if you remember Fya, they were pretty low-end already. Prophecy is not good. It's really kind of deluded and tragic. Like the schoolgirls

What is Prophecy a band?? I thought it was just their pub-quiz team.

She's a Dizzee Rascal fan. Which, ignoring everything else, is a crucifiable offence.

- She's a self-proclaimed ghetto princess. Which, ignoring everything else, is a crucifiable offence.

These aren't very good points.

Admit all of this delusion and childishness, she's a 27 year old woman. This doesn't make her as tragic as 24 year old Nikki, but she's still pretty tragic.

She's tragic because she's 27, which isn't as bad as being tragic at 24? Not sure I get the logic on this one.

Contrary to LCers beliefs, she's had the probably best editting of the whole series after Pete (hence your support). There is no conspiracy to make people hate her. If people hate her it's because they think she's horrid.

Yeah that's probably true about people hating her because they think she's horrid. But taking the house as an example, who really hates Aisleyne? Grace? Lisa? Nikki? Horrid. Horrid. Horrid.

She believes in God. Which clearly makes her as much as a fool (or desperate vote-grabber) as Pete.

I think you should be careful not to stray into outright trollery on this. But I grant you it's the sort of thing I used to say. Now I've changed my mind, because there are plenty of great people who have different religious beliefs to me.

Plus how can we deny there is a god when we live in a world that contains Girls Aloud, Neighbours and R Kelly's Trapped In The Closet?

She doesn't know herself. Which is not ironically funny, just, once again, tragic and hypocritical.

I think she's always appeared very self-aware, ready to mock herself, criticise herself for being stupid etc.

A vote for Aisleyne is a vote for Anthony Hutton and the similar do-nothings. Everything she's done has been manufactured for her or reactionary.

A vote for Aisleyne is a vote for Aisleyne. Hutton is the sort of bland bore the hordes adore, you can tell there's at least something interesting about Ash by the amount people get worked up about her.

Then I'd ask you to maybe consider your behaviour. You'll look back in 2/3 months time and realise how idiotic and foolish you've been. Not in supporting Aisleyne, just in how you've gone about it.

What on earth have we all been doing that's idiotic and foolish in our support?

Bye bye karma etc.

Well I enjoyed your post and it's nice to have a debate once in a while.

[Greg]

whitenoisemaker said:

What on earth have we all been doing that's idiotic and foolish in our support?

First of all, you've just pulled apart every part of my post. Granted it's probably pull-apart-able, or whatever, but you're far too desperate to defend her and rip apart any suggestion that she's not god.

See also:
lowculture.proboards34.com/index.cgi?board=bb&action=display&thread=1155727445

and

lowculture.proboards34.com/index.cgi?board=bb&action=display&thread=1155340616&page=1

[raspberry]

greg said:

- Her support is only because she's less horrid than Nikki. Many of you seem unaware that she's still horrid. Just less so.

There have been two big stories that have spanned the whole of this year's Big Brother, the nastiness of Grace and the Pete and Nikki 'love' story. I think Aisleyne should win because she has been the person most visibly opposed to Grace and her behaviour.

She has been the opposite of horrid in that respect.

[WhiteNoiseMaker]

greg said:

whitenoisemaker said:

What on earth have we all been doing that's idiotic and foolish in our support?

First of all, you've just pulled apart every part of my post. Granted it's probably pull-apart-able, or whatever, but you're far too desperate to defend her and rip apart any suggestion that she's not god.

I don't think it's idiotic and foolish to do that. Just part of the fun of discussing Big Bro on a messageboard. Like I said I like a debate/argument. You've had a go at me and mine so why can't I reply without being branded an idiot?

[Michael]

I think the only reason that 'thetruth' was banned from the list was because they were clearly just trolling and trying to start a fight in a way which this messageboard is normally free of.

I'm amused by the support for Aisleyne, because I like seeing people enjoying themselves. I'd much rather read that and your opposition than watch the programme, to be honest. This is all much more entertaining.

[lowculture.co.uk]

He branded me "really quite pathetic" earlier, so you got off quite lightly.

Can I just say... it's not really important. All discussions here are just a bit of fun. Nobody's died, nobody's committed a crime. As a website, we're backing Aisleyne because it seems like the right thing to do, and because it's a position that's generally in tune with how a lot of our readers seem to be thinking. I can guarantee that, come Saturday morning, none of us will ever give a toss about any of them ever again. So please don't get yourselved in a flap over it.

Paul x

[sultenfuss]

I believe in a democracy and everything but I think you should delete this post Mr Lowculture. Hating Aisleyne is like loving Terri Dwyer tis it not? and that's just not lowculture right? This is almost as bad as the time I got attacked by a load of Dido-lovers on popjustice.

[ruthie]

The question as to whether Aislyene is ‘fake’ or ‘genuine’ has become a big debate this year, and I think to some extent it misses the point of shows like Big Brother. Everyone acts at times in their life – whether its smiling and not commenting to keep the peace within families, or pretending an interest in the vapidly dull home lives of work colleagues. No one wears every emotion that they feel for everyone to see. Everyone, to some extent, presents an image of themselves as they would like to be. We can get away with this because we don’t have to put up a front 24/7.

What shows like Big Brother do is to take away that breathing space, force people to interact together with those they don’t like, know or trust twenty four hours a day, and broadcast the results for us to see and judge. Some contestants, like Makosi, keep up a façade throughout. Others, like Jade, lose any sense of this normal day to day self projection everyone loses, and as viewers we feel we come to know them because we see them emotional vulnerable, in a way that in the real world we only see people who are close to us. I think this is what happened this year with Aisleyne – the contrast between the cultivated image in her eviction video, and the emotionally drained woman who wept uncontrollably in the diary room after evicting Jonathan, is stark; just as the glamour girl image of Ash in her blue eviction dress, full make up on, is so different from the woman who sits in unflattering pyjamas with toothpaste on her spots. I agree that some of her crying fits seem over the top – but I do think the constant stress of being so isolated in the house has an effect. Some deal with it better than others, some go into emotional meltdown: one of the reasons BB is so constantly criticised is that its aim is to do this to people. Its success relies on contestants that are more than the one dimensional character that is all their short intro videos allow them to portray – people who are ‘fakes’, if you like, who, like everyone, pretend to be more confident, unusual and happy than they really are.

For me, setting aside the truly horrible contestants, who I feel I don’t want to know better, the contestants I like/vote for in BB are ones who I feel I’ve really got to know, and for whom I feel I’ve developed some level of understanding, sympathy and even fellow feeling for them. As the series have gone on, and the contestants have become ever more publicity seeking and self serving, I’ve found it harder and harder to get to know the ‘real’ people, and therefore liked people less and less. Personally, I have found sides to Aisleyne I’ve really admired and empathised with, which is why, out of all of them there, I want her to win. With, for example, Imogen, and even to a certain extent, Pete, I don’t feel I ‘know’ them any better than I did back in may when we saw their audition videos. I admire some of the things she’s done: standing up to Grace, being one of the few housemates who can laugh at herself (isn’t this a sign of ‘knowing herself’?). But to state the inevitable, different people will always react to people in different ways, so some people are bound not to like Ash, or to like other people more – that’s what’s interesting about having a debate and why I think this year has suffered by having Pete as the stand out winner from the beginning.

[Adrian]

greg said:

I'm trying to be reasonable in a forum where a lot of people seem to be acting like fools.

But you're not really - you're putting across your opinion which is no more or less reasonable than anyone else's. This is no bad thing, I just don't think branding people who support Aisleyne as fools is fair. I would hasten to add that the majority of posters on here (you included) are intelligent and 'get it'. Just because some support one character over (an)other(s) doesn't make them fools. Nor, vice versa.

However, many of the posters on this forum are acting very foolishly and idiotic in their support of Aisleyne.

I'll grant you that some people are going to what seems like extreme lengths. But isn't that all part of the fun of Big Brother? You yourself have a blog, you write about how much you love Sugababes, Girls Aloud etc. etc. - could that not be construed by some as foolishly supportive of either band? It's just being sucked into the drama / melodrama / hype of it all.

(which isn't to say I don't love Indie Girl & Pop Boy)

- She cries a lot. ... But when Aisleyne does it, she's 'misunderstood' or 'growing'.

The crying is annoying. Whether she's growing or not is, ultimately, of little consequence really.

Everything she's done has been manufactured for her or reactionary.

Likewise Nikki, likewise Grace, likewise Sezer - likewise all of them. Big Brother is completely manufactured.

A

[Adrian]

sultenfuss said:

I believe in a democracy and everything but I think you should delete this post Mr Lowculture. Hating Aisleyne is like loving Terri Dwyer tis it not? and that's just not lowculture right? This is almost as bad as the time I got attacked by a load of Dido-lovers on popjustice.

That's being foolish and silly, and I think that's what Greg is reacting against.

A

[sultenfuss]

Sorry I didn't read everypost just the title.

[David]

Oh the drama of it all...

[Steven]

Careful everybody - we'll end up on Fandom Wank if we don't all calm down.

[somethingbiblical]

I exalted you Greg for having the balls to say something especially as you're a well liked and established member here rather than someone that came here specifically to say that, you said what you thought even though you probably think you'll lose respect from the Aisleyne lovers on here, but anyways, I applaud you. I do wish I'd not used the hours karma though because Ruthie's post was so good, haha.

I think Aisleyne SHOULD win because I really don't think she's horrid or fake at all. And in my opinion, she HAS grown, far more than that wankpot Glyn. He's not leaving the house a man, he went in a teenage boy and he's leaving a teenage boy with money, but with Aisleyne I genuinely feel that she has realised a lot about herself and the tough girl image she projected on coming into the house and why she had to have that persona, and she knows her REAL self now, who is a lot quieter and friendlier and probably a lot more easy going and softer. I don't think Pete should win just because he's been the favourite from day one, where's the fun in that? And I don't think Glyn should win because he's been on some invisible "journey", and I think he's expecting to win just because everyone's telling him so. Don't get me wrong, I like Pete and I like Glyn for the most part, but they're not winners. If people didn't get these funny ideas about how great they are and watched objectively, they'd see that they deserve to win as much as Jennie does (Actually I wouldn't mind Jennie winning but compared to the rest of them she has no chance because she does nothing. Just like Pete and Glyn).. There's just something really endearing about Aisleyne though and I have liked her since she walked out that box in her see-through fairy princess outfit. And sometimes she has grated on my nerves, like at nominations and when she cried so much about the Jonathon thing (although I really don't understand why people get so pissed off that she cried when Imogen - her friend - left the house and she didn't get to say goodbye, I would have been upset too. And it's not one sided, Imogen basically said to Davina that she would definetly still be pals with Ais outside the house but that she wasn't so sure about Grace). But over all, none of them can laugh at themselves like she can, they all just take themselves so seriously, and Aisleyne knows how to hold her own without being overtly intimidating like Lisa with her swearing and screeching or Grace with her sneaky, borderline evil ways of talking about people and acting to them. She says it how it is - but she isn't nasty. And I don't think anyone can deny that she has been unfairly portrayed (I think the only reason she's been shown in such a good light in the last week is because Nikki has been such a tosspot to her that it shows how contrasting she and Ais are) and treated by her housemates, especially recently.

It makes me happy aswell that so many people on here are rooting for her, it feels like a common cause, but it's not as if anyone's really going to care if she doesn't win. It is just a TV show and everyone realises that. And like whitenoisemaker said, she is the most worthy of LowCulture admiration there, so why wouldn't the site support her?

[Joel]

Certainly not going to smite you, Greg, that would just be silly. You've written an anti-Ais post that's more than just 'omg shes such a hoe innit getto wannab lolz!' and should be congratulated. The crying at nominations is silly, I agree, she knows the rules.

But I'd really say she's not a fake. The way I see it, she had a shell that she let drop, which isn't the same as being fake, to me.
The support for her is partly reactionary, yes, but surely that's the point? When you've got a house full of people like Grace, Sezer and Nikki of course people's responses to the other housemates will be formed partly in comparison to the others. Aisleyne's my favourite housemate precisely because she's the best of a bad bunch. If she was in a house with Christina Milian, Hayden Christensen, Parker Posey and Will Young I wouldn't be giving her a second look.

[Adrian]

somethingbiblical said:

It makes me happy aswell that so many people on here are rooting for her, it feels like a common cause, but it's not as if anyone's really going to care if she doesn't win.

I completely agree with that! I've been entertained heartily by the board this week. I care more about this than I do the general elections.

A

[coxy1979]

admin said:

Can I just say... it's not really important. All discussions here are just a bit of fun. Nobody's died, nobody's committed a crime. As a website, we're backing Aisleyne because it seems like the right thing to do, and because it's a position that's generally in tune with how a lot of our readers seem to be thinking. I can guarantee that, come Saturday morning, none of us will ever give a toss about any of them ever again.

Paul x

Here here - the X Factor starts again on Saturday remember, so we'll all be staring at pretty boy singers for the next 20-something weeks come Saturday.

[Steven]

coxy1979 said:

Here here - the X Factor starts again on Saturday remember, so we'll all be staring at pretty boy singers for the next 20-something weeks come Saturday.

Assuming they put any through. There's been a fair dearth of eye candy on The X Factor as far as I'm concerned - I was far more interested in Maria's legs last year than I was in any of the boys. But then Maria's legs were frankly alarming in their lustrous long legginess. They could've probably got a record deal in their own right.

I really hope Trevor's auditioned again, and that Simon or Sharon puts him through and he wins and we can all laugh at Louis Walsh for being a git.

[coxy1979]

You see, we've forgotten already.

[Steven]

Forgotten what?

OOOH! SHINY!

[I Hate Lana Lang]

If we were supporting Nikki (you've stated your love for her in the past) then you wouldn't mind. It's just you dislike Aisleyne and that's your right. She is NOT the biggest fake in the house, well apart from her tits which are much bigger than Nikkis. Nikki is the biggest fake. We all know that, it isn't up for discussion. You dislike Aisleyne, fine. Get into the spirit of things I say - it's a competition, not a hippie love in and really, it's all tongue in cheek on our part. Besides, the campaign is doing wonders for LowCulture and it's a worthy cause.

Rather that than vote for those twats Nikki/Richard/Pete/Jennie.

[Nicholas]

I started reading this thread about ten minutes ago (my bastard office computer now throws me off LC boards as soon as I get interested - I think my boss may have been fiddling, so I haven't been able to read until now).

Well done to Greg for putting forward an opposing view. I'm not a massive Aisleyne fan but, when it comes down to it, she probably is the best of them, in my view. The positive aspects of her character outweigh the negative, but I did find the almost hagiographic Aisleyne posts slightly disturbing.

On reading through, however, I think most people do "get it", and I think that is very reassuring.

Adrian said that these boards have been entertaining him this week and I really have to agree with that. I've cut down my BB viewing since the Re- Entry travesty, and I'm certainly not going to vote (what if I vote for a winner and they change the rules again on Friday night?), but I've been checking here several times a day (when I have access to a computer not programmed to throw me out), and that's because I am interested in what people are thinking.

Isn't that why we're all here?