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Post by emma on Jul 15, 2008 22:14:10 GMT
He does! He has his mad Welsh nationalist mum who is also Stacey's mum in Gavin and Stacey.... I'd forgotten this! I can has crossover?
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Post by Steven on Jul 15, 2008 23:13:08 GMT
I loved Myra's random dream sequence while she was reading her bonkbuster tonight - there seemed to be no real point to it other than comedy/space-filling, but it was a nice little character touch (and a believable one, and those are a bit thin on the ground in Hollyoaks at the moment) that I enjoyed - and heck, Nicole Barber-Lane was rocking those fishnets.
I feel quite sorry for Jake Hendricks after reading that interview. I must admit, I've pretty much given him a pass acting-wise since the JP/Fr Kieron story broke, just because he and James Sutton have obviously been doing the best they can with sub-par material, and it's not either of their faults that the whole thing just really isn't that credible.
I was getting quite close to hating Rubbish Tranny again after he went on one of his self-righteous tirades on his radio show. I did suppress a smirk when he made that comment to his dad about his radio show being a place where people are allowed to speak their minds without fear of judgement or whatever it was he said, because: no dear, really not. You're a much more likeable character these days, but you are still in firm possession of the moral high ground whenever it suits you.
And a bit late to the discussion, but: I actually think the new credits look better than they have done for ages. I really think they should drop all of the remaining shots from New Credits v1.0, though, because they stick out like a sore thumb at this point.
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Post by Boswellox on Jul 16, 2008 17:39:50 GMT
Is Newt just Tointon in a heavier eyeliner? There was some very questionable acting in today's episode.
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Post by Carrotline on Jul 16, 2008 19:01:39 GMT
Is Newt just Tointon in a heavier eyeliner? There was some very questionable acting in today's episode. I hate him. He obviously went to same school of acting as the bird who plays Tina, which dictates that every line you deliver has to sound as if you're on the verge of tears. Grrrrr! x
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Post by joshjones on Jul 16, 2008 20:11:52 GMT
Elliot has no family on the show but he's one of their better characters. He does! He has his mad Welsh nationalist mum who is also Stacey's mum in Gavin and Stacey and a dad who was abducted by aliens and never seen again! I remember the mother (I wish she'd come back), I meant family who stays on the show. His mum was like Zoe's dad who just pops up once a year. Hannah Tointon was older than Nico (don't remember his last name), and had a much easier storyline. I don't know why they decided to give such a heavy story to such a young, fairly inexperienced actor. I think he's been passable so far.
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JoanSmith
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Post by JoanSmith on Jul 16, 2008 20:14:20 GMT
I think there are worse actors in Hollyoaks at the moment than Newt. I'd put any recent bot-ness down to him being unsure how to portray Newt's unspecified mental illness and/or boredom with the repetitive Eli scenes. Having said that, I've been really warming to Lauren this week with her efforts to help him, so it may be that my critical faculties have deserted me.
I noticed after yesterday's E4 episode (and presumably today on C4) they gave out the Samaritans number. Have they finally run out of helplines to allocate? There seems to be a new one every episode recently, be it for drugs, grief, domestic violence, barren-ness, mental illness or unexpectedly finding yourself starring in an ad campaign for flatulence tablets.
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Post by emma on Jul 16, 2008 21:30:24 GMT
The helpline thing is a Dirty Lie. I rang during the Lisa Hunter storyline and got a recorded message with the numbers of other helplines that cost me about six million quid a minute and wasn't even in a very reassuring voice.
I agree, I think Nico just doesn't really know how he should be acting. I'm just praying they've read more than a leaflet and there aren't huge gaping Holes Of Fact About Mentle Illnuss and I have to scream at the TV and my workplace issues a press release like the Big Brother with Nikki and it all gets ridiculous.
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Post by mcqueen on Jul 16, 2008 21:49:47 GMT
Barry is just a completely shit character(thinking Frankie is lovely should be obvious evidence of mental illness)- he has been from the start and sorry but the kid cant act. Tointon annoyed the hell out of me but she was a decent actor at times- especially in her exit where she pwned Warren and Louise in spectacular style.
I am really starting to like Lauren- she is bar far the best Valentine- faint praise I know but true none the less.
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Post by amphibian23 on Jul 16, 2008 22:19:17 GMT
I think the writers may have realised that Lauren does sweet/vulnerable/concerned friend quite well, and does not do evil little goff at all well. When she told Newt about her childhood imaginary friend I was actually quite touched.
I only want Newt to stick around so Darren can take the piss out of him. As it is, he's just another potential source of immense stress for Jack and the poor bloke has had enough.
I don't understand why Mercedes was suddenly written as evil-machievellian-jealous-sister which was apparently why she was telling John Paul to leave, it was silly and tediously contrived.
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Post by joshjones on Jul 16, 2008 22:25:17 GMT
I can imagine if I were an actor, playing a story on schizophrenia wouldn't be easy, especially when he's so young and Newt isn't a very established character. Kind of like how after over a year of nothing stories, Sasha became a heroin addict.
Hollyoaks can be so great and so ridiculous from one moment to the other. Or the pacing will take a character from months of being comic relief to suddenly having a very big emotional storyline about his family (RT). If they could just fix the inconsistency, because I think inconsistency drives potential viewers away more than anything else.
I think for slowly developing characters and having them grow up while still keeping some of the traits they used to have, they've done best with Darren and Steph. I'm not sure if that's down to the writing or just down to ATD and Carley Stenson. Carley's had other stories which showed she can play more than cheap comic relief (like helping Cameron with OCD), but Ashley never had much of a chance until the past few years.
She's doted on him. When he gets older and she starts raging at his girlfriends or telling him to avoid male friends (what with Craig's male friend magically turning him gay), he'll have enough of her.
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Post by Carrotline on Jul 16, 2008 22:28:45 GMT
I think the writers may have realised that Lauren does sweet/vulnerable/concerned friend quite well. I only want Newt to stick around so Darren can take the piss out of him. As it is, he's just another potential source of immense stress for Jack and the poor bloke has had enough. Completely agree.
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emma
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Post by emma on Jul 16, 2008 22:30:30 GMT
What pisses me off-and tell me if I'm just being precious because this is my Speshul Subject-is when they do these Issue Storylines, and then either get rid of the character in some ridiculously contrived way (Cameron) or have them and everyone else forget it ever happened. (Lisa, whose scars cleared up a treat when she started getting her vag out) I'm really hoping we get to see Newt dealing with his condition and actually living with it as part of a worthwhile and productive life. Also, if they keep the hint of redeemability about Ste without completely excusing him, some Actual Good might be done here.
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Post by Robbing the Dead on Jul 17, 2008 1:03:19 GMT
Rubbish Trannie's dad is such a racial stereotype. He's even wearing green! Also I know Jack wasn't thinking straight, but he took hours to get round to killing himself, and is doing it in the living room when anyone could walk in at any minute and stop him such a good idea?
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Post by Steven on Jul 17, 2008 9:40:17 GMT
E4: So, in one episode Jack's such a beloved public figure that people are willing to pay three times the price for their pint to save his pub, and in the next, he's so anonymous that no one will spot that the random homeless dude (except obviously not random, because it's Rubbish Daddy) is in fact not Jack Osbourne as long as Darren's there to say it is? What if one of the people who comes in the ambulance is one of the people who was drinking in the Dog the day before?
I was warming to Russ recently, but then he claimed in one minute that 'Say You'll Be There' made him vomit (and claimed that the Spice Girls didn't write their own songs, which is inaccurate music snobbery of the most cuntish order) and then went on to say that his favourite song is 'You're Beautiful'. You are now dead to me, Russ Owen.
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Post by Boswellox on Jul 17, 2008 17:48:01 GMT
Oh shut up Russ. You are no great intellectual.
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Post by JoanSmith on Jul 17, 2008 18:52:14 GMT
E4: While the acting and writing of the Jack's fake death has been excellent so far, I'm finding it hard to really care as - like the surrogacy stupidity - it's just a bit too silly (although unintentionally topical, I suppose). Also, it's far too soon after Max's death to deal with watching another major bereavement for Steph and Frankie. And I'm worried it will mark the return of Terri Dwyer.
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Post by Carrotline on Jul 17, 2008 19:59:45 GMT
The return of the world's first celebrity orphan certainly has been alluded to, especially with those close up glimpses of Jack's photo album yesterday.
She probably would have been a dead cert if they had gone for the "fire in the pub and claim the insurance" turn of events. Just think of the 60 minute makeover she could have done with that!
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Post by joshjones on Jul 17, 2008 20:50:29 GMT
I'll give Russ a pass on the Spice Girls comment, because the McQueens used to karaoke them and love them and every time Russ thinks of them, he probably imagines Mercedes in the sheets with Warren.
There's no excuse for the James Blunt comment.
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Post by Steven on Jul 18, 2008 8:48:31 GMT
JoanSmith: you are right to be concerned. That's all I'm saying. I kind of agree that it's just too much trauma in one go, for Steph especially, though I will concede that last night's E4 episode contained some fantastic acting from Carley Stenson, Ashley Taylor Dawson and Helen Pearson. I was particularly impressed that Helen Pearson did UglyCrying for Frankie, which a lot of actors don't do. So much TV crying is single-tear stuff and very subdued and dignified, whereas real crying is usually uncontrollable, messy and full of snot. So props to her for getting that right.
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Post by Feral on Jul 18, 2008 11:54:56 GMT
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Post by Rad on Jul 18, 2008 18:18:45 GMT
Kudos to Helen Pearson, ATD, Carley Stenson and Jimmy McKenna, as others have said. They must have looked at that plotline and rolled their eyes, yet they've done the best they could.
And as for that 'what I would say to my dad' nonsense, again, the cast did their best, but worraloadofrubbish.
And wouldn't all this have worked better around Father's Day?
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Post by mcqueen on Jul 18, 2008 20:02:28 GMT
The last 2 channel four episodes have been beyond dire- Jack walking down (one of Hollyoaks 3)the street at the same time that Rts Dad was being taken away in an ambulance was a particularly cringeworthy moment.
The whole thing makes even less sense than the surrogacy crap.
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Post by joshjones on Jul 18, 2008 20:56:58 GMT
Some bitching about the spoiler Feral BB mentioned. This has been coming for months now but I still think it's a very stupid idea. After a year of fucking SE this and fucking SE that, why would they overshadow this big event with a murder? Do they want people to think, "McDean was so fragile a relationship they only got back together because John Paul's boyfriend was killed"? Or that they were so desperate to avoid showing the consequences of John Paul leaving Kieron to get back together with Craig they had to kill Kieron off? They didn't kill Swimbint off -- we got plenty of moments where we saw how she felt.
I do like Kieron, but I understand the show apparently feels John Paul's boyfriends don't really matter (just as John Paul stopped mattering as anything but Craig's prop). Why does that mean they have to kill him off? Can't he just leave town? Wouldn't that have just as much impact as a murder from a panto villain? Kieron has only been a plot device and the clock is obviously ticking for Niall, so how does this really help the show? It's like they think the audience is stupid and needs one shock after another, even if those shocks make no real sense and add nothing to the storyline.
Why can't they just tell basic, simple stories?
I also don't get why they give out so much information months in advance. By the time any of this happens, a lot of people will already have stopped caring. They managed to keep Max's death quiet until a few weeks before it happened.
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Post by timydamonkey on Jul 18, 2008 21:52:01 GMT
Sometimes, when Hollyoaks has frankly bizarre plots like this, I think they just get it done with and go the Dark Shadows route.
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emma
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Post by emma on Jul 18, 2008 23:38:42 GMT
What I would say to my dad:
You're right. Hollyoaks is shit.
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