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Post by frapperia on May 2, 2008 23:28:54 GMT
As I said, the names I've heard which apply to me (because I gave my second preference to Boris and not Ken), such as stupid fucking moron.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2008 23:30:19 GMT
At the risk of being karmaed to oblivion, I'm quite disgusted by the level of vitriol shown by Ken supporters towards those who chose not to vote for him. I don't feel I should be called the names I've heard from people on Livejournal and Lowculture today because of the informed choice I made when voting yesterday. I am not a moron or any of the other vile things I've heard today and would appreciate it if those who feel that way could hold their tongues and try not to make other people feel like shit. I'm quite disgusted by the level of vitriol Boris has shown towards gay people. I don't remember Ken doing that to any particular section of the community.
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Post by Sparkle on May 2, 2008 23:32:26 GMT
As I said, the names I've heard which apply to me (because I gave my second preference to Boris and not Ken), such as stupid fucking moron. Well, you may not like it, but it's freedom of speech, surely?
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Post by marknyc on May 2, 2008 23:37:25 GMT
This is the 'informed' choice of someone who could not distinguish the politics of Boris and the Green party. I'm really annoyed by the 'get rid of Ken at all cost' mentality.
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Post by Steven on May 2, 2008 23:37:57 GMT
Careful, folks. Let's not get this thread locked, eh? I know this is a very emotional time, but let's all be civil to each other.
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Post by frapperia on May 2, 2008 23:38:56 GMT
Ken is just as objectionable in a variety of different ways, and there was no way I'd vote in a way that helped him get back into power. It's all much of a muchness now, anyway, because he's out, and that's that. No way of coming back from that.
It may be freedom of speech but it doesn't make it any less offensive or upsetting to me. I'm not going to shout names at those who chose to vote for Ken - that's freedom of choice.
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Post by Cherubic on May 2, 2008 23:41:15 GMT
Ken is just as objectionable in a variety of different ways. Name them. I'd dearly love to know what they are.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2008 23:41:31 GMT
Ken is just as objectionable in a variety of different ways, and there was no way I'd vote in a way that helped him get back into power. It's all much of a muchness now, anyway, because he's out, and that's that. No way of coming back from that. It may be freedom of speech but it doesn't make it any less offensive or upsetting to me. Mark - leave off, please. While I agree that it could have been put more eloquently, do you really feel that being called that is in anyway comparable to what Boris has said about homosexuals?
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Post by frapperia on May 2, 2008 23:47:43 GMT
I'm PMing you about this, Carl, if you don't mind. I don't want to inflame things further!
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Post by Vinegar Tits on May 3, 2008 0:15:05 GMT
At the risk of being karmaed to oblivion, I'm quite disgusted by the level of vitriol shown by Ken supporters towards those who chose not to vote for him. I don't feel I should be called the names I've heard from people on Livejournal and Lowculture today because of the informed choice I made when voting yesterday. I am not a moron or any of the other vile things I've heard today and would appreciate it if those who feel that way could hold their tongues and try not to make other people feel like shit. I'm quite disgusted by the level of vitriol Boris has shown towards gay people. I don't remember Ken doing that to any particular section of the community. How about comparing a Jewish reporter to a Nazi concentration camp guard or cosying up to an extreme muslim cleric who supports "female genital mutilation, wife-beating, the execution of homosexuals in Islamic states, the destruction of the Jewish people, the use of suicide bombs against innocent civilians and the blaming of rape victims who do not dress with sufficient modesty".
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2008 0:37:56 GMT
I'm quite disgusted by the level of vitriol Boris has shown towards gay people. I don't remember Ken doing that to any particular section of the community. How about comparing a Jewish reporter to a Nazi concentration camp guard or cosying up to an extreme muslim cleric who supports "female genital mutilation, wife-beating, the execution of homosexuals in Islamic states, the destruction of the Jewish people, the use of suicide bombs against innocent civilians and the blaming of rape victims who do not dress with sufficient modesty". Nice strawman there, and emotive language. I wonder, have you ever had a conversation with someone who has more extreme views than yourself? As for the jewish remark, he did not know the paparazi man was jewish, so how is that anti-semetic? The nazis weren't big fans of a lot of people, so why isn't he considered racist and homophobic too? Quite simply the comment was not anti-semetic but it's a fact often brushed under the carpet by people who wish to find a reason to vote against Ken and can't logically come up with a viable one.
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Post by Robbing the Dead on May 3, 2008 1:22:41 GMT
Poor Ken. I was in a homosexualist bar when the result was announced and there was a majority of cheering.
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Post by Vinegar Tits on May 3, 2008 1:29:49 GMT
Quite simply the comment was not anti-semetic but it's a fact often brushed under the carpet by people who wish to find a reason to vote against Ken and can't logically come up with a viable one. The point is that Ken is no angel and does not automatically deserve everyones vote as many people on here seem to think he does. Believe it or not there are people who hold opinions that may differ from yours and they are entitled to vote for anyone they choose. If they don't want to vote for Ken they don't have to, and they certainly don't have to justify themselves.
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Post by Feral on May 3, 2008 7:37:32 GMT
To be fair to the Boris fans, Ken is undoubtably a bit of a twat sometimes. But at least he's proved himself a vaguely competent Mayor. While Boris is just being elected cos 'hahahahah, it's BORIS!lol! He haz funni hair'.
Seriously, this combined with Leon winning the X-Factor - the fall of western civilization can't be far away...
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Post by Adrian on May 3, 2008 8:22:09 GMT
As I said, the names I've heard which apply to me (because I gave my second preference to Boris and not Ken), such as stupid fucking moron. Well, you may not like it, but it's freedom of speech, surely? Exactly. I'm not sure what to be more worried about: Boris, or the fact that of The Nutter Candidates, the BNP were top. Or that 10,000 people voted for a candidate who resigned during the election race. In my borough, Livingstone won, but Boris seems to have won it in upper and middle class, suburban areas, where the right to drive one's 4 x 4 is sacrosanct. On the plus side, I can now say the London Mayor nearly fell off his bike when he saw me kissing my boyfriend in Trafalgar Square. Twat.
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Post by Sparkle on May 3, 2008 9:01:04 GMT
The point is that Ken is no angel and does not automatically deserve everyones vote as many people on here seem to think he does. Believe it or not there are people who hold opinions that may differ from yours and they are entitled to vote for anyone they choose. If they don't want to vote for Ken they don't have to, and they certainly don't have to justify themselves. Quite agree. But if people are going to talk about who they voted for in what is to all intents and purposes for a secret ballot, they should surely expect that those who voted for a different candidate will want to engage in a debate with them?
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Post by Vinegar Tits on May 3, 2008 9:31:42 GMT
The point is that Ken is no angel and does not automatically deserve everyones vote as many people on here seem to think he does. Believe it or not there are people who hold opinions that may differ from yours and they are entitled to vote for anyone they choose. If they don't want to vote for Ken they don't have to, and they certainly don't have to justify themselves. Quite agree. But if people are going to talk about who they voted for in what is to all intents and purposes for a secret ballot, they should surely expect that those who voted for a different candidate will want to engage in a debate with them? I totally agree with you, but there is a big difference between engaging in a debate and the outright hostility and vitriol which has been shown by some members of this board towards others who may not share their views. I had been enjoying the debate until a few days ago but it has now descended into bullying and bigotry.
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Post by QuincyMD on May 3, 2008 9:41:18 GMT
Ken deserves everything he gets, people seem to be overlooking the fact he's made more than one anti-semitic comment and according to Channel 4 and the Stannard he's got a drink problem.
I shall be shedding no tears for that odious little pipsqueak as he goes back into richly deserved obscurity.
GO BORIS!
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Post by pauliepoos on May 3, 2008 9:50:37 GMT
Ken deserves everything he gets, people seem to be overlooking the fact he's made more than one anti-semitic comment and according to Channel 4 and the Stannard he's got a drink problem. I shall be shedding no tears for that odious little pipsqueak as he goes back into richly deserved obscurity. GO BORIS! Well Boris hasn't got a drinking problem as he showed how serious he was abour being mayor by GIVING UP DRINK for THREE MONTHS! As Michelle Gayle once said, woo!
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Post by Adrian on May 3, 2008 10:01:34 GMT
You do realise that the Evening Standard-reporting-unless-your-name-is-Ken-Livingstone has been mounting what amounts to a sleaze campaign against Ken for years, and gleefully admit that, don't you? So when you say 'Go BORIS', what do you see in Boris' policies that you agree with? Most of what I see is that people vote for Boris because they don't want to vote for Ken - which, to my mind, is a ridiculous reason to vote for someone.
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Post by coxy1979 on May 3, 2008 10:01:47 GMT
I can't believe the BNP got a seat in the Assembly as a result of proportional representation. That worries more than Boris quite frankly.
Can you imagine him in 2012 at the opening ceremony?
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Post by Adrian on May 3, 2008 10:02:53 GMT
Will he still be Mayor then? Or, by August 2012, will we not have had another election? I can't see him lasting more than 1 term somehow.
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Post by coxy1979 on May 3, 2008 10:03:36 GMT
You do realise that the Evening Standard-reporting-unless-your-name-is-Ken-Livingstone has been mounting what amounts to a sleaze campaign against Ken for years, and gleefully admit that, don't you? So when you say 'Go BORIS', what do you see in Boris' policies that you agree with? Most of what I see is that people vote for Boris because they don't want to vote for Ken - which, to my mind, is a ridiculous reason to vote for someone. To be fair, many people voted for Ken because they didn't want to vote for Boris.
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Post by pauliepoos on May 3, 2008 10:05:54 GMT
I can't believe the BNP got a seat in the Assembly as a result of proportional representation. That worries more than Boris quite frankly. Did you see the diarrhoea yellowy brown suit the BNP man wore last night at the results declaration? Shocking.
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Post by Rad on May 3, 2008 10:42:28 GMT
Ulp. I go away for the evening and you're all at each other's throats!
We in Sheffield voted the Lib Dems in pretty resoundingly (with a few Labours, a Green and a lone Tory), which is no suprise considering they actually bothered campaigning unlike the others.
However, Rotherham voted in TWO BNP councillors, which is even more scary than the Tories getting a lot of votes in some ways. (Obviously not in terms of national significance, general elections etc) Worryingly, there is a lot of BNP support in this part of the country.
I hope there isn't a general election until as late as possible to give Labour and the LDs a real chance to get themselves into shape. I don't want David Cameron being the PM, ta very much.
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